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Beating Dizel8 to the "punch" about DL losses

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MedFlyer said:
Notice that he said pay + productivity. Sure WN has higher pay, but its offset by higher productivity. For most of the majors, productivity is a dirty word.

Then again you are comparing Southwest and LCCs to Legacy carriers, which have different styles of operation. I guess it would be tough to have a "productive" legacy pilot who flies to Tokyo from ATL once a week? How many of those do you want him/her to do? Ever fly a 14 hour leg nonstop? Sure, Southwest and the other LCCs pilots fly 7 hours a day for 4 straight days and get a large trip worth 28 hours. Can you do that on the INTL side? I know 30 and 7 doesn't count on the INTL side, but do you want a CO 777 Capt to fly one more trip to Manchester, England from Newark a day after he just did a EWR to Delhi, India nonstop and back? Can you compare that to Southwest and their schedules? Domestically too---can you compare a hub and spoke operation with two hour breaks to a Southwest trip that flies a straight line across the country with 5 stops in between?


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
General,

You make some good points. But all I know is it sure would be nice to be pulling down WN wages!

I hear you got some senior skippers over there who fly their butts off and are grossing well over 300k annually!! Sweet!!!
 
Kid Charlemagne said:
General,

You make some good points. But all I know is it sure would be nice to be pulling down WN wages!

I hear you got some senior skippers over there who fly their butts off and are grossing well over 300k annually!! Sweet!!!

I don't know about that, but most of the senior skippers are gone or will be by May 1st. We have lost 1200 captains since last May, and we will retire another 200 or so in 10 days. I think there have been a few that are working very hard to get a larger lump sum, and that is expected---they probably have had a few divorces....

WN wages for the 737 should be the highest---they are doing the best financially.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
A loss of 684 M excluding one time charges. Man that is a lot of dough!


"Delta's 1Q Loss Nearly Triples on Charge
Thursday April 21, 11:49 am ET
By Harry R. Weber, AP Business Writer
Delta's 1Q Loss Nearly Triples on Record High Fuel Prices, Charge Partly Related to Job Cuts


ATLANTA (AP) -- Delta Air Lines Inc., the nation's third-largest carrier, blamed record high fuel prices and a hefty charge partly related to job cuts as it reported its first-quarter loss nearly tripled to more than $1 billion despite a more than 3 percent rise in revenue.
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The results, announced before the market opened Thursday, missed Wall Street expectations, but Delta shares rose 12 cents, or 3.3 percent, to $3.77 in late morning trading on the New York Stock Exchange as the airline said its transformation plan is on target.

The Atlanta-based company said that for the three months ending March 31 it lost $1.08 billion, or $7.64 a share, compared to a loss of $387 million, or $3.12 a share, for the same period a year ago. The current loss includes $5 million in dividends paid out to preferred shareholders.

Delta's loss dwarfed those reported over the past two days by other major carriers for the quarter. On Wednesday, Fort Worth, Texas-based AMR Corp., parent of American Airlines, posted a $162 million loss and Houston-based Continental Airlines Inc. said it lost $184 million in the quarter. Northwest Airlines Corp. of Eagan, Minn. posted a $458 million quarterly loss on Thursday.

Excluding one-time items, Delta said it lost $684 million, or $4.89 a share. Analysts surveyed by Thomson Financial were expecting a loss of $4.76 a share excluding one-time items.

Revenue rose 3.3 percent to $3.65 billion, compared to $3.53 billion recorded a year ago.

"Today's financial results clearly are disappointing," said Gerald Grinstein, Delta's chief executive officer. "Record-breaking fuel prices are masking the many crucial, large-scale, core initiatives our airline implemented during the quarter."

He added, "The issue is simple: including fuel, Delta is not on plan, but excluding fuel, we are better than plan."

Chief financial officer Michael Palumbo told investors in a conference call that even though fuel prices weighed heavily on Delta's results, the airline was able to cut costs in other areas as part of its transformation plan. At the same time, he said the company's total debt remains at $20.5 billion, noting that "We clearly have more work to do."

Delta's loss reported Thursday is on top of another $8.5 billion Delta has lost since 2001.

In the first quarter, Delta recorded a $453 million charge primarily due to the cost of pension benefits related to the planned reduction of 6,000 to 7,000 jobs announced in September and the partial freeze of benefit accruals under the pilot defined benefit plan. It also recorded other charges related to the pilot pension plan and an aircraft settlement. Delta recorded a $144 million benefit from a reduction in its deferred income tax asset reserve.

Delta indicated that its situation could get even worse because of projected further increases in fuel prices.

It said that every 1 cent increase in the average annual cost per gallon of jet fuel costs Delta roughly $25 million in additional fuel expense per year. Delta's business plan assumes an average fuel price per gallon in 2005 of $1.22. However, it said Thursday that projections call for crude oil prices to be substantially higher for 2005 than Delta's business plan, and the airline has no hedges or contractual arrangements in place that would reduce its jet fuel costs below market prices.

Delta ended the quarter with $1.8 billion in unrestricted cash.

The airline said its capital expenditures for the June 2005 quarter are estimated to be roughly $350 million, including $210 million for aircraft. Capital expenditures for all of 2005 are estimated to be roughly $1 billion, including $570 million for aircraft.

Delta said all of its regional jet aircraft deliveries in 2005 will be financed under existing agreements. The remaining mainline aircraft to be delivered in 2005 are scheduled to be sold to a third party immediately upon delivery from the manufacturer, which Delta had previously announced.

Delta, which is transforming its business to reduce costs and attract more fliers, has blamed high fuel prices and low fares as major factors contributing to its mounting losses.

Delta nearly fell into bankruptcy late last year before winning deep concessions from pilots and fresh financing from creditors."
 

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