BAX Global Sold

[needapayraise]

Sorry RJ, I don't know where you get your information from but ATI-BAX are not in the same category of business as Fed EX/UPS/ABX. ABX is now trying to get into the ACMI, FED EX/UPS/DHL fly very different cargo. They still depend on the next day letter/package stuff as BAX moves the bigger-heavy freight. We fly same planes but business is very different.

His information is correct as now both ABX and Astar are strictly ACMI carriers just like ATI and CCI. And since we bought Menlo, UPS will be flying the SAME type of cargo that you do, heavyweight freight. So instead of ABX and Astar going down to your level for pay and benefits for ACMI carriers, you should press your union to go up to their level or even our level as we now do the same thing you do!

 

[Usedtobe]

I am so confused. Why is it that you guys at other carriers(like UPS) are so intent on popping the "happy bubble" that the crews at CCIA and ATI are enjoying right now. If you guys think that we in "our" new group are staying awake at night worrying and wondering what you guys are up to, then relax cause we are not. We are to busy smiling right now and enjoying the fact that we will have a good Christmas in the group and not wonder if anyone is going to loose their jobs at the end of the year! While I understand that you may be the type that just wants to make an input, why don't you do us all a favor and try, just try and be positive for us just once. I bet you might even feel a little better about yourself afterwards. If not, at least you will have tried to not be selfish.

 

[needapayraise]

Why don't you for a change try to raise yourself and your pilot group to the level of your new peers, ABX and Astar, instead of just being happy to have a job at any price. But if you want to fly around a DC-8 or 727 for way less than what your peers are now doing then have at it.

 

[DC8 Flyer]

Why don't you for a change try to raise yourself and your pilot group to the level of your new peers, ABX and Astar, instead of just being happy to have a job at any price. But if you want to fly around a DC-8 or 727 for way less than what your peers are now doing then have at it.

Just to put it in perspective. It cost the company about 1600 bucks for a roundtrip ticket to get me to work from where I live. I do that on average 1.5 times a month. If you take that money and add it to my second, third, fourth, etc year pay it equals what a UPS FO would make. I'll take a little less pay and get to be home based. Just my opinion.

 

[needapayraise]

Another one that's just happy to be here!

 

[big pimpn']

Why don't you for a change try to raise yourself and your pilot group to the level of your new peers, ABX and Astar, instead of just being happy to have a job at any price. But if you want to fly around a DC-8 or 727 for way less than what your peers are now doing then have at it.

Thank you! We're all refreshed and challenged by your unique point of view, you ridiculous little carnival freak. Your ineffective imitation of good posting style only serves to illuminate your lack of substance, good taste, and decency.

 

[Midnight Flyer]

Just to put it in perspective. It cost the company about 1600 bucks for a roundtrip ticket to get me to work from where I live. I do that on average 1.5 times a month. If you take that money and add it to my second, third, fourth, etc year pay it equals what a UPS FO would make. I'll take a little less pay and get to be home based. Just my opinion.

Jesus H. Christ!! Where do you live, Asia?

 

[DC8 Flyer]

Jesus H. Christ!! Where do you live, Asia?

Actually it was 800 bucks, yeah I can add :nuts:. Point is still the same though

 

[Midnight Flyer]

Actually it was 800 bucks, yeah I can add :nuts:. Point is still the same though

For that much you'd better be in first class!!
I am for the most part 100% happy with the travel they provide at CCIA, however, sometimes we get routed "the long way" just so they can save a little $$.

 

[DC8 Flyer]

For that much you'd better be in first class!!
I am for the most part 100% happy with the travel they provide at CCIA, however, sometimes we get routed "the long way" just so they can save a little $$.

HA! I wish, I do however get seat #A on the ERJ 99% of the time, so it is like my own little "first class". Seems like all of my travel is always a day or two in warning so we end up paying a higher fare for the short notice. Do you guys at Cappy get your travel farther in advance for reserve lines?

 

[Midnight Flyer]

HA! I wish, I do however get seat #A on the ERJ 99% of the time, so it is like my own little "first class". Seems like all of my travel is always a day or two in warning so we end up paying a higher fare for the short notice. Do you guys at Cappy get your travel farther in advance for reserve lines?

Well, luckily enough we don't really have "reserve" lines that would be similar to other airlines.
We do, however, have "standby reserve" at the hub in TOL. Basically, you go to the airport and hang out for the night, waiting to rescue one of our other flights in the event a problem arises. Alot of times, they try to send the reserve crew to Rockford, as well. I have always been glad that I've never had a reserve line while working at CCIA. With most other airlines, I've heard that a large majority of your first year, you're working like a slave on reserve with no QOL. When I was first hired here, I got a line and have had a real line ever since.

We still only work once a month (approx 2 weeks on/2 weeks off). They only travel us one time per month. The company know what line you're getting well enough in advance that they can go ahead and purchase the ticket for a decent price. They seem to use the RJ's alot with us, too. I hate those gay barbie jet tin cans. I can remember the ATR 72's being much more comfortable. I guess our travel department finds the cheapest fares possible and it usually results in being stuck on a RJ

 

[Vegas_727God]

Guys, Guys, Guys, why must we beat around the bush about what is really going to happen. We all know Peter will sell off ATI to the lowest bidder, or just strip it down like CCIA. You know they cannot run +99% ontime with all those benifits and great pay like we can. We are running with .9 crews per aircraft, and we are STILL doing +99% ontime! You will never see ATI doing that! That is why ATI is going to have to relize their tower is about to fall. We should be happy we are making Chris C look soo good, the more money we make for him the more money we can make. Why don't everybody see that? The office says CCIA is 100% getting the 767's, and ATI will get nothing more than the 8's they have comming. I am comparing prices for 767 types so I can be one of the first to crew the 767 when we get them. I think anybody serious about staying with CCIA should do the same! The more money we save the company the more likely we will keep the 767's! I just wish people would see the more people like me fly overtime the less crews we have to hire and the more money the company saves. Why hire somebody new when there are people that want the overtime. We have ran +99% this year, with less that two crews per airplane. The company needs not to staff, we can do it and keep doing it because we are better than ATI.

Viva CCIA

 

[PCL_128]

Wow, now that's good flamebait.

 

[Midnight Flyer]

that has got to be a joke

 

[big pimpn']

Guys, Guys, Guys, why must we beat around the bush about what is really going to happen. We all know Peter will sell off ATI to the lowest bidder, or just strip it down like CCIA. You know they cannot run +99% ontime with all those benifits and great pay like we can. We are running with .9 crews per aircraft, and we are STILL doing +99% ontime! You will never see ATI doing that! That is why ATI is going to have to relize their tower is about to fall. We should be happy we are making Chris C look soo good, the more money we make for him the more money we can make. Why don't everybody see that? The office says CCIA is 100% getting the 767's, and ATI will get nothing more than the 8's they have comming. I am comparing prices for 767 types so I can be one of the first to crew the 767 when we get them. I think anybody serious about staying with CCIA should do the same! The more money we save the company the more likely we will keep the 767's! I just wish people would see the more people like me fly overtime the less crews we have to hire and the more money the company saves. Why hire somebody new when there are people that want the overtime. We have ran +99% this year, with less that two crews per airplane. The company needs not to staff, we can do it and keep doing it because we are better than ATI.

Viva CCIA

Nice try, Mr. “Needapayraise”, AKA "Vegas727god", I almost didn’t notice it was you with your 1 post and recent join date!

Now, why don’t you climb onto that Special Needs tricycle of yours with the fourth wheel attached for extra-ensured retard stability and pedal your fat ass down to the sports field and do some “outdoors” stuff for a change. I think your brain needs to rest before it starts to rot from all that festering stagnation and cognitive dysfunction.

 

[DC-8_FR8]

Nope, sorry I won't bite, although if you are for real I'm sure that your own pilots will beat the snot out of you before long.

 

[Usedtobe]

I really hope that none of the ATI guys beleve that this VEGAS 727 DUDE is anyone at Capital. All of us at Cappy want the best for both groups. Lets keep working together like we have been and make this work for all of us.
As for raising our standards like the one guy says, why dont you let us worry about our standards and that way you will have all the time you need to get a life. Oh and the VEGAS dude, man that is some sloppy work on your part for the IP that you used.

 

[Midnight Flyer]

I really hope that none of the ATI guys beleve that this VEGAS 727 DUDE is anyone at Capital. All of us at Cappy want the best for both groups. Lets keep working together like we have been and make this work for all of us.

I agree.

I don't know what the deal is with certain posters, but it seems like alot of people like making negative posts regarding CHI/ATI/CCIA and raining on our parade. We're all pilots here, why wouldn't 100% of us be working towards the same goal to try and save this industry. I'm happy everytime something good happens involving any of the other airlines that helps their pilots. It seems like sometimes pilots are so selfish, they're jealous of anything good happening to other pilot groups, and that's sad.

Unfortunately, this 'Vegas727dude' possibly does or has worked for CCIA, soley based on the fact that he knows names of key mgmt. people and our performance percentages. I realize that information is public information, but I doubt somebody like him would go through the trouble of researching it just for the purpose of making a post. Unfortunately, there are people similar to Vegas727dude who are at every airline. People like them make it a long month, having to listen to constant bitching and negativity. If things are so bad, then quit.

For all you ATI pilots, don't worry, Vegas727dude does not represent the majority of us. I've flown with a large percentage of the pilots at CCIA, and most of us don't have an attitude like Vegas727dude. CCIA's not going to come in and "strip down" anything.

 

[fly727]

Ditto to Midnight Flyer response to Vegas 727Dude

 

[sardinesnack]

I think ATI and Capital are going places and I will gladly give up my RJ seat (Which is not saying much) to come join in on the happenings. Anything to get away from these damn W.S.C.O.D'S.

Just the other day a soggy new 700hr all ATP alumni sitting next to me sopping wet with stupid hat still on turned to me with a far and away look in his eyes and said how glad he was to have finally have quote "made it as an airline pilot." Unfortunately the reaction was me spraying my coke through my nose and all over the glare shield as the male flight attendant freezing his ass off in the doorway saw and heard the whole thing and bent over in fitful tears of laughter pounding the bulk-head with his fist while howling in hysteric fits, after he finally regained his composure turned to mister soggy hat, placed his hand on his shoulder and said " That was the funniest thing I ever heard you may have just made me crap my pants."

 

[Midnight Flyer]

I think ATI and Capital are going places and I will gladly give up my RJ seat (Which is not saying much) to come join in on the happenings. Anything to get away from these dang W.S.C.O.D'S.

Just the other day a soggy new 700hr all ATP alumni sitting next to me sopping wet with stupid hat still on turned to me with a far and away look in his eyes and said how glad he was to have finally have quote "made it as an airline pilot." Unfortunately the reaction was me spraying my coke through my nose and all over the glare shield as the male flight attendant freezing his ass off in the doorway saw and heard the whole thing and bent over in fitful tears of laughter pounding the bulk-head with his fist while howling in hysteric fits, after he finally regained his composure turned to mister soggy hat, placed his hand on his shoulder and said " That was the funniest thing I ever heard you may have just made me crap my pants."

Now that's a funny post!!! LOL, come on over..we'll be glad to have 'ya.
Midnight

p.s. did the coke burn on the way out of your nose? That's some funny shiznit.

 

[sardinesnack]

I was laughing to hard to notice. Of yeah WSCOD = Whistling S*&t Can Of Death for those not familiar.

Best Regards to both groups of pilots, have got the call for the interview.

 

[thatsux]

I understand the Capitol owns some 767-200SF's that are leased to South American operators. How come the Cappy pilots union doesn't demand to fly the planes themselves or replace the ATI DC-8s?

 

[Vader727]

Well I stayed out of it as long as I could but, now here goes! Capital owns around 5 767s and they are leased out for now. Back last October Chris Chorley and his gang sent out an email saying that Bax being sold was just a rumor and the same for ATI. All the while they knew exactly what was going on. They then put the word out that they had purchased ATI pending OK from the powers to be. While all of this was going on our MEC was negotiating a new contract for us. Our then president and vice president had the Chorley
Gang (Peter Fox, George Golder, and of course Chris himself) come up to the hub to try to sell us this supposed great contract. Needless to say they were shot down. Peter kept telling everyone that there was only so much air in the bucket, whatever that means. They could only afford to give us a 2.5% raise and an override of 2.5%. Now this may look good at first until you really study it and you find it stinks. While this was going on they were buying ATI. Are you with me so far? Now Chris and his gang of theives have never given a hoot about the contract with CCIA's pilot group. They ignor the contract anytime they feel like it because they know that the union's war chest is small and that the MEC is weak. The union has never had a big following due to exmilitary FEs and pilots. What the company is doing is creating small battles to be fought so that the union uses up its money and can no longer fight them. It is called union busting. Can you feel my pain? NOW, enter ATI. We all thought that CHI buying ATI was a good deal here at Crappy Central but, alas it wasn't to be. This is where you guys at ATI come in!! Chris and Peter both hate unions and you guys belong to a national union. Good for you!! What you guys have to understand is that Peter and Chris could care less about ATI and the 8s. No, my friends, eventually they will be gone but, not replaced. As you guys at ATI know by now, we here at Crappy are not the best paid pilots by a long shot. Only Cat and Amjet pay worse than we do. You guys on the other hand are paid much better and have better benefits. We here at Crappy get 10 sick days a year and can only carry 5 into the next year. Think about what you get and ask yourself if you think you will continue to get them while we only get 10. I don't think so. You also get to take vacation in conflict with your bidlines while we have to take our vacation on our days off. Do you really think CHI is going to continue to let you have everything that we here at Crappy want and can't get? CHI bought ATI for its overseas routes and military contracts, and to keep the heavy lift in house. As they retire the DC8s, doesn't it make more sense to replace them with 767s and put them on CCIA's certificate and let the lower paid pilots without a national union fly them and over time just kill off ATI and its higher paid pilots? Boys and girls at ATI beware, management here at Crappy are notorius liars. You have a great bunch of guys and girls there but, unless it freezes down below I am afraid you are in for a rude awakening. This is just my gut feelings but they haven't failed me so far.

 

[DC8-PFE]

Well, Vader727 you better check your info. It seems that the proposed sale of ATI to CHI has been shot down. Mr. Fox's finances were a bit dubious at best, his main bankroll for the purchase appears to have come from the same group that purchased BAX Global, the german railroad firm, Deutsche Bahn. We all know that our government after the DHL fiasco takes a dim view of foreign entities buying a us carrier through a thinly veiled shell corporation.

 

[Midnight Flyer]

Well, Vader727 you better check your info. It seems that the proposed sale of ATI to CHI has been shot down. Mr. Fox's finances were a bit dubious at best, his main bankroll for the purchase appears to have come from the same group that purchased BAX Global, the german railroad firm, Deutsche Bahn. We all know that our government after the DHL fiasco takes a dim view of foreign entities buying a us carrier through a thinly veiled shell corporation.

That's only a rumor.

 

[Vader727]

My hope is that you guys and girls at ATI get someone better than Peter Fox and his band of rogues to buy you. If what you say is true that should tell you how Peter operates. They haven't told us the truth in so long I don't think they know how anymore!

 

[Midnight Flyer]

Well, Vader727 you better check your info. It seems that the proposed sale of ATI to CHI has been shot down. Mr. Fox's finances were a bit dubious at best, his main bankroll for the purchase appears to have come from the same group that purchased BAX Global, the german railroad firm, Deutsche Bahn. We all know that our government after the DHL fiasco takes a dim view of foreign entities buying a us carrier through a thinly veiled shell corporation.

Well it's official, ATI now belongs to Cargo Holdings. It was only a DOT bump in the road that caused the delay.

 

[dsee8driver]

Well the DOT bump did have to do with the financing for ATI and it did have to do with the Germans.

 

[Midnight Flyer]

I (and other CCIA people) heard DOT issues caused the delay, and ATI people like to think it is Capital Cargo CEO's "dubious finances" that caused the delay. Me or you weren't invited to attend the closing, so really nobody knows exactly. Regardless of what anybody chooses to believe, ATI belongs to Peter Fox now.