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Does anybody think there are any good 135 companies out there? I am currently with one. The way g-force talks, there aren't any more out there. Or is he just a good complainer? Vote now.
 
My vote is to go to work for Grand Air. Sorry, I can't help but be a smart a$$. Seriously, If I had to go back to flying 135, I would go with the Falcon side of Active Aero-USA Jet.
 
I think us guys at the really good 91/135 gig's hesitate to tell ya how good it is for fear of seeming to brag. Rest assured there are a lot of really great charter operators out there we just don't hear about them for lack of complaints.
 
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emspilot 02 said:
Does anybody think there are any good 135 companies out there? I am currently with one. The way g-force talks, there aren't any more out there. Or is he just a good complainer? Vote now.
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The guy named G-force needs to find a different career.All he ever does is bitch about all the 135 operators that have fired him.If he would change his attitude maybe he could find a decent flying job and move on with his life.This guy has my vote for the biggest complainer on the Hangar website.
 
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Still new to the biz, but my 135 job is the worst job I think I've ever had in any industry for more reasons than I can get into right now. I took it for the multi turbine transport category experience, and because I just didn't know any better. I mean, I could see that it was going to be less than ideal, but I really didn't know just how thoroughly F'd up it would be in almost every imaginable way. Part 121 interview next week 'cause I'm done with these folks. Of course, I probably wouldn't have been invited to the interview if I was still flight instructing, and I have definitely seen a lot in that short time, so I guess I'm glad I've spent a few months at this gig... I guess...

That said, I know there are some better 135 companies out there (probably most of them). Ameriflight, AirNet, and a couple others come to mind. But in the end, none of this is really where I want to be in the industry, so I'm moving on to something a little closer to my ultimate goal (hopefully). Being an RJ FO isn't my dream either to be sure, but I've thought about it long and hard and when I look at the whole scheme of things, I've decided I want to get my career off on a better start than this. And it's not all about what plane I'm flying, or from which seat. I'm amazed at how so many people's jobs have affected their personal priorities in this game. Personally, my job needs to be primarily a means to support my way of life - not the other way around.
 
Good luck with the interview Spatial, not every 135 gig su*ks as bad as that one but a lot do. A certain 135 operator out of TEB getting guys to sign two year contracts but never delivering the promised minimum QOL comes to mind.
 
My last 135 gig made us sign new contracts everytime we went to recurrent. Talk about poor management. Now I know what the ads mean when they say agressive company. The charter dept. doors closed which probably helped the industry in the long-run and the QOL was really beginning to suck out loud.
 
The biggest thing to remember is that companies are run by people, and that's where it all gets complicated! Good people run (usually!) good companies, and a**holes run bad companies. It shouldn't take any of us long to figure out the people behind the door/inside the hangar, and then it comes down to what each and every one of us will accept since we all have different goals, ideals, and breaking points! My grand-daddy used to say "fool me once, shame on you---fool me twice, shame on me!" That's the way I look at it---if you keep working for a bad company once you know they suck---you have only yourself to blame! I don't wake up in the morning with a gun to my head to get me to go fly---I doubt that any of you do either. Ya makes your bets and ya plays your game....
 
CUBMAN said:
My last 135 gig made us sign new contracts everytime we went to recurrent. Talk about poor management. Now I know what the ads mean when they say agressive company. The charter dept. doors closed which probably helped the industry in the long-run and the QOL was really beginning to suck out loud.
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That does't make any sense at all. Just refuse to sign the contract at your 1st recurrent. What are they going to do, fire you? Six or twelve months earlier they paid big bucks for your initial/type they're not gona fire you for not signing. Its just bad business if they do.
 
Yeah, I know it doesnt make sense but that seems to be the nature of intimidation. Lots of pilots were knocking our doors down for a crappy job and most of them were willing to whore out their moms for a nickel. Management would have fired anyone at that time. It was absolutely baffling how screwed-up they were. Just thinking about makes me think I'm developing a tumor.
 
I've got a question. How the hell can ANYONE MAKE you sign a contract for recurrent? Just don't sign the thing. There is no way an employer can FORCE you to sign a contract with the threat of firing you if you don't. That's grounds for a lawsuit from hell. Casually, professionally tell them that you'd be more than happy to go to recurrent, but you refuse to sign a contract for it. If they fire you, get a lawyer. You'll clean up.
 
Sign contract, go recurrent, fly, get paycheck. No signy contract, no goey recurrent, no fly, no getty paycheck. Automatically self un-employed.
 
Suing people isnt all its cracked up to be. Sure, we live in a litigation-happy society but it really isnt that easy to get competent legal help with some of these types of problems. I checked. Some laywers told me right up front that a company can pretty much do anything they want as long as the responsibility is up to me to prove wrong-doing. I didnt want to work for these people so bad that I couldnt walk away from it and I didnt want to spend time in court suing a bunch of sh*ts.
 
emspilot00

emspilot00 you are the real loser like your friend Rob and emspilot02 is making you look like a true idiot.Scott did you ever find another job after you were fired in Lincoln Nebraska.
 
emspilot00, guess i don't know what you're talking about...sounds like you got a pretty big chip on your shoulder. Also, why do YOU have to act like you're me? Sounds like you're just a little bit jealous!
 
I maybe used to fly with emspilot00 I think. Lonelyguy if he is who you say he is. He wasn't much of a pilot even though he thought he was.
 
emspilot00

It is about time Rob admits to how he was treating you over the years.Where is emspilot00 hidding under the rock that he came out from under.
 
CapnVegetto said:
That's grounds for a lawsuit from hell. Casually, professionally tell them that you'd be more than happy to go to recurrent, but you refuse to sign a contract for it. If they fire you, get a lawyer. You'll clean up.
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CapnVegetto,

It depends if you live in an "at-will" state of not. If you live in an "at-will" work state (like I do) the employer can hire and fire at will. You can get fired for having a nose that is too big. Doesn't matter.

You can sue your employer all you want but you will not win if you live in an at will State.
 
The "at will" is a good point. Furthermore, oyu assume that the company paid for the intial which might not be the case.
Frankly, the reason for all these training contracts is because of pilots. The resumes I see have hardly had the ink dry from the last place these guys were. I asked on pilot why he would want to leave a job with a good employer when he had only been there like 8 months. His answer, "this is how the business is, you are always looking for the next job."
Employers want to get their training dollars back by employment. Do not try to tell me if they treated the employee better that they would not leave. I have been at this too long for that. For the most part, they leave because bigger, faster, ususally pays more and helps you up the ladder to the airlines or whatever the end goal is.
If I hire you or any other employee, you are on a ninety day probation period. It is a significant investment to train and until the ninety days are up, we really do not know if we even want to keep you for permant employee status. Even with you signing the contract, there is risk on our part. If we are managing an aircraft and it leaves our contract, we may be out the money and we may never get the worth of the school.
There are a good many issues here besides someone trying to tie someone to a contract for training.
 
Publishers

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The "at will" is a good point. Furthermore, oyu assume that the company paid for the intial which might not be the case.
Frankly, the reason for all these training contracts is because of pilots. The resumes I see have hardly had the ink dry from the last place these guys were. I asked on pilot why he would want to leave a job with a good employer when he had only been there like 8 months. His answer, "this is how the business is, you are always looking for the next job."
Employers want to get their training dollars back by employment. Do not try to tell me if they treated the employee better that they would not leave. I have been at this too long for that. For the most part, they leave because bigger, faster, ususally pays more and helps you up the ladder to the airlines or whatever the end goal is.
If I hire you or any other employee, you are on a ninety day probation period. It is a significant investment to train and until the ninety days are up, we really do not know if we even want to keep you for permant employee status. Even with you signing the contract, there is risk on our part. If we are managing an aircraft and it leaves our contract, we may be out the money and we may never get the worth of the school.
There are a good many issues here besides someone trying to tie someone to a contract for training.
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The answer to your question is mutual trust, employees that are not trusted or treated with respect will not trust there employers and will never stay.This is management 101 for the stupid employers on the website.
 
This has nothing to do with trust at all. They move because there may well not be advancement at their current location. A company may have a Citation 500 SP, it may be all they need, and, in the company I was in for quite awhile, they had it for twenty years. Pilots careers by their nature are for the most part advanced by qualifying for larger equipment and time building. Additional ratings also are a signicant factor.
I do not know why it is (sic) but many pilots are always pushing for a bigger quicker aircraft. As you gain value in the marketplace with things like pic turbine time, many pilots move on because their employer is not looking for that bigger quicker aircraft.
For the most part trust is not part of the equation. It is merely trying to maintain a growth pattern to that big airline job or that BBJ job or whatever. There is little sense of obligation to the guy who just paid your recurrent when Captain bigger quicker calls with that open captain slot flying the bigger quicker.
 
Publishers

Publishers said:
This has nothing to do with trust at all. They move because there may well not be advancement at their current location. A company may have a Citation 500 SP, it may be all they need, and, in the company I was in for quite awhile, they had it for twenty years. Pilots careers by their nature are for the most part advanced by qualifying for larger equipment and time building. Additional ratings also are a signicant factor.
I do not know why it is (sic) but many pilots are always pushing for a bigger quicker aircraft. As you gain value in the marketplace with things like pic turbine time, many pilots move on because their employer is not looking for that bigger quicker aircraft.
For the most part trust is not part of the equation. It is merely trying to maintain a growth pattern to that big airline job or that BBJ job or whatever. There is little sense of obligation to the guy who just paid your recurrent when Captain bigger quicker calls with that open captain slot flying the bigger quicker.
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I know from experience that not all pilot want to move into bigger and more advanced equipment,some like a quality of life or where they are flying.The theory that all pilots will move up to bigger and better equipment is just not true.
 
Publishers

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Publishers, what the devil is with the "(sic)" in your last post?
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It really does not matter in most cases if they are second in command or pilot in command they will stay depending on how they are treated.
 
LOL! Even if he meant SIC (like as opposed to PIC) it still doesnt make sense. I think he meant (sic) as in the misunderstood if not bizzare grammatical correction used when quoting another persons words. Either way, it doesn't seem to fit. Was just curious...
 

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