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8vATE - As you work with others, recognize that all people, whether leaders or followers, have some things in common:
They like to feel special, so sincerely compliment them.
They want a better tomorrow, so show them hope.
They desire direction, so navigate for them.
They are selfish, so speak to their needs first.
They get low emotionally, so encourage them.
They want success, so help them win.
They like to feel special, so sincerely compliment them.
They want a better tomorrow, so show them hope.
They desire direction, so navigate for them.
They are selfish, so speak to their needs first.
They get low emotionally, so encourage them.
They want success, so help them win.
Dizel8
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Impressive and true!
“One man has enthusiasm for 30 minutes, another for 30 days, but it is the man who has it for 30 years who makes a success of his life.”
-Edward B. Butler
“Like the chicken and the egg, enthusiasm and success seem to go together. We suspect, however, that enthusiasm comes first. If you hope to succeed at anything in this world, polish up your enthusiasm and hang on to it.”
-John Luther
“No one keeps up his enthusiasm automatically. Enthusiasm must be nourished with new actions, new aspirations, new efforts, new vision. It is one’s own fault if his enthusiasm is gone; he has failed to feed it.”
-Papyrus
“One man has enthusiasm for 30 minutes, another for 30 days, but it is the man who has it for 30 years who makes a success of his life.”
-Edward B. Butler
“Like the chicken and the egg, enthusiasm and success seem to go together. We suspect, however, that enthusiasm comes first. If you hope to succeed at anything in this world, polish up your enthusiasm and hang on to it.”
-John Luther
“No one keeps up his enthusiasm automatically. Enthusiasm must be nourished with new actions, new aspirations, new efforts, new vision. It is one’s own fault if his enthusiasm is gone; he has failed to feed it.”
-Papyrus
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A little suggestion like blending out premium pay really got some people riled up. So much doom and gloom. I suppose we could expect as much from pilots defending a very comfortable system.
So, after all your success at jetBlue, you guys are saying "we got ours, if you don't like what you got, go somewhere else."
You don't think there are pilots on this seniority list that have paid their dues, including myself? I would argue that MOST of us have. Are you suggesting that only senior pilots have paid their dues - come on! They certainly haven't at jetBlue. With regard to jetBlue I can personally show you the ugly side of scheduling shennanigans. In my personal case I've accumulated seven years of reserve at several airlines, so don't pull the wise old pilot - bide your time young man routine.
An evenly distributed pay scale is so unreasonable? You act as if a change such as this would bring down the airline. Where would the pilots at Southwest be if they cowered when the senior guys barked.
Enthusiasm? We'll see won't we? A man by himself may lose it - but I'm not by myself and this is not an insignificant amount of money we are talking about.
You don't think this system can be changed? The law of the land says it can.
And no - it would be foolish to become another United - but the pilots of Southwest Airlines have done quite well for themselves. Even if we made half of the improvements that they have, we would be doing well. But, like you, I would be far less inclined to push for those improvements if I was sitting on a small fortune in stock options and pulling down some pretty good ching every month.
Would you deny everyone the right to speak up about things that make them mad? If you are you saying: "go somewhere else if you don't like the way we set this company up" then how about we call a spade a spade and ditch the values all together? Let's stop the charade and just tell everyone when they are hired - here's your five year contract - now go fly the planes and shut up.
Or how about this? You fly your premium pay, collect your overrides, make your side deals, cash out your options and all of the rest and I'll write my e-mails, make my phone calls, and converse with my fellow pilots. Each group can allow the other their vices. Live and let live I say.
So, after all your success at jetBlue, you guys are saying "we got ours, if you don't like what you got, go somewhere else."
You don't think there are pilots on this seniority list that have paid their dues, including myself? I would argue that MOST of us have. Are you suggesting that only senior pilots have paid their dues - come on! They certainly haven't at jetBlue. With regard to jetBlue I can personally show you the ugly side of scheduling shennanigans. In my personal case I've accumulated seven years of reserve at several airlines, so don't pull the wise old pilot - bide your time young man routine.
An evenly distributed pay scale is so unreasonable? You act as if a change such as this would bring down the airline. Where would the pilots at Southwest be if they cowered when the senior guys barked.
Enthusiasm? We'll see won't we? A man by himself may lose it - but I'm not by myself and this is not an insignificant amount of money we are talking about.
You don't think this system can be changed? The law of the land says it can.
And no - it would be foolish to become another United - but the pilots of Southwest Airlines have done quite well for themselves. Even if we made half of the improvements that they have, we would be doing well. But, like you, I would be far less inclined to push for those improvements if I was sitting on a small fortune in stock options and pulling down some pretty good ching every month.
Would you deny everyone the right to speak up about things that make them mad? If you are you saying: "go somewhere else if you don't like the way we set this company up" then how about we call a spade a spade and ditch the values all together? Let's stop the charade and just tell everyone when they are hired - here's your five year contract - now go fly the planes and shut up.
Or how about this? You fly your premium pay, collect your overrides, make your side deals, cash out your options and all of the rest and I'll write my e-mails, make my phone calls, and converse with my fellow pilots. Each group can allow the other their vices. Live and let live I say.
Talk about side deals. Did ya all know the company paid for the assist. chiefs pilot crash pads? I am not sure if they still are but they were. I wonder if a certain someone from UAL has that deal going being a Bushy buddy.
Realistic,
I agree with you on a lot of things. Not all but a lot. It makes me puke to have to take a pay cut every year because of increased COLA, Medical, etc. And you are right, the top 200 are mostly brain washed and could give a care less about anybody below them because they got theirs. Too bad they think like that because someday it will come back to haunt them. We have a very fractured pilot group. The haves, the have a little, and the have none. I dont want to see ALPA in here but an in-house would probably be a good idea.
Realistic,
I agree with you on a lot of things. Not all but a lot. It makes me puke to have to take a pay cut every year because of increased COLA, Medical, etc. And you are right, the top 200 are mostly brain washed and could give a care less about anybody below them because they got theirs. Too bad they think like that because someday it will come back to haunt them. We have a very fractured pilot group. The haves, the have a little, and the have none. I dont want to see ALPA in here but an in-house would probably be a good idea.
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I don't think anyone is denying you your right to speak nor to try and change what you consider an unfair system. I have no side deals, no over ride etc. but it makes for a nice tactic, to be able to point out who the enemy supposedly is. You said earlier, that you feel if you stick your neck out to far, it will be cut off. I think that is a wrongful assumption on your part. Yes, what you say may not always fall in favour with everyone, but I have little doubt, that every pilot on the property would not defend your right to say it.
If the majority of the pilots are for a blended rate and they feel that would be better, then I have no problem with it nor do I really think the company does.
If Pref bid is being manipulated in such a manner, that it unfairly discriminates against lower seniority, then we need to find out why that is being done and what changes we can make. If those changes are cost neutral, or close thereto, then I cannot see why the company would object.
As for the payscales at AWA, Frontier, UAL or U, I am sure the company would have no reason not to give you those, if that is what you desire.
I am still curious, why you will not agree, that the most egalitarian way, would be to pay all the same? However, you must have your reasons, whatever they are?
"Did ya all know the company paid for the assist. chiefs pilot crash pads?"
Considering the headaches they have to put up with, I think I can live with that, but nothing says you cannot apply for the position!
If the majority of the pilots are for a blended rate and they feel that would be better, then I have no problem with it nor do I really think the company does.
If Pref bid is being manipulated in such a manner, that it unfairly discriminates against lower seniority, then we need to find out why that is being done and what changes we can make. If those changes are cost neutral, or close thereto, then I cannot see why the company would object.
As for the payscales at AWA, Frontier, UAL or U, I am sure the company would have no reason not to give you those, if that is what you desire.
I am still curious, why you will not agree, that the most egalitarian way, would be to pay all the same? However, you must have your reasons, whatever they are?
"Did ya all know the company paid for the assist. chiefs pilot crash pads?"
Considering the headaches they have to put up with, I think I can live with that, but nothing says you cannot apply for the position!
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