B6 Hiring

[Flyer1015]

email stating we were bought by/merged with another airline, I know I would be completely screwed if all I had in my corner were some flimsy, untested documents. New company could tell me to take my pea and hit the street. How am I going to fight that?

Because ALPA will do a fine job for you in a merger? Ask TWA or America West pilots how that worked out.

 

[oldxfr8dog]

Jeez, Flyer.
I don't know about TWA, but ALPA was stymied at Airways by a vote to replace them with USAPA. The Airways guys outnumbered the AWA guys, so it was done.
They thought that by replacing ALPA that they would get DOH seniority instead of the binding arbitration that they agreed to. Putting pilots furloughed for years into AWA seats, of course.
Sound fair?
Apparently you think that the JB ELT will back your seniority instead of their multi-million payouts?
Really?

 

[Fins Up]

Because ALPA will do a fine job for you in a merger? Ask TWA or America West pilots how that worked out.

TWA was another time. We have TWAers who already votes Yes and I believe one or two on the OC. I'll take a CBA over the DR any day and getting one any other way (i.e. in-house) is a disaster waiting to happen.

 

[JJthejetplane]

Because ALPA will do a fine job for you in a merger? Ask TWA or America West pilots how that worked out.

I wonder how it would of worked for them if they were left to fight that battle alone, without a seat at the table. I imagine a hell of a lot worse! I don't know much about America West and their deal, but I do know that TWA was in pretty sorry shape going in to that deal to start with.

 

[Flyer1015]

Correct me if I'm wrong, even if an airline is non-union, a staple cannot happen in a merger scenario with the current laws.

 

[Flyer1015]

TWA was another time. We have TWAers who already votes Yes and I believe one or two on the OC. I'll take a CBA over the DR any day and getting one any other way (i.e. in-house) is a disaster waiting to happen.

Confused by that last statement, are you saying in-house union (like a Jetblue Pilot Association) would be bad/disaster waiting to happen?

 

[Fins Up]

Confused by that last statement, are you saying in-house union (like a Jetblue Pilot Association) would be bad/disaster waiting to happen?

Yes. No money and no resources. It would take a huuuge chunk of money to get started. I think it would get bled dry just like Airtran's NPA.

 

[wt219200]

Yes. No money and no resources. It would take a huuuge chunk of money to get started. I think it would get bled dry just like Airtran's NPA.

I don't work there but I agree. An in-house union just doesn't make sense. Say what you will about ALPA but you guys will vote in the guys that represent you. It doesn't have to mean a broken labor-management relationship.

 

[B6Driver]

I wonder how it would of worked for them if they were left to fight that battle alone, without a seat at the table. I imagine a hell of a lot worse! I don't know much about America West and their deal, but I do know that TWA was in pretty sorry shape going in to that deal to start with.

ALPA wanted their dues money to the last day and the TWA pilots had more than a wish for honest representation in return, they had a legal right to it and according to the outcome of the court case, ALPA did not deliver.
ALPA wanted something different and left the pilots of TWA, a founding member of the organization bye the way to fend for themselves as if they were alone.
Very sad indeed.

 

[Splert]

Because ALPA will do a fine job for you in a merger? Ask TWA or America West pilots how that worked out.

You mean Airways ...

Also what was the final integration of TWA and AA?

Numbers please not drive by.