Awful quiet

[OPECJet]

True, but that is really really old news from back in March-April, and the notion left the building when Sokol's bald head left. They have since given up on scope relief.

I believe that's incorrect. From what I've heard Hansell was still on the scope relief band wagon and MAY be easing up on that a bit. The jury is still out.

Sokol's driving factor was about personally making money. There is no doubt in my mind his mission was to sell off aircraft from NJA and buy them personally, possibly with a shell corporation, then put them on the EJM certificate. Looks to me like Hansell is using the same playbook Sokol was, but possibly meeting a lot more resistance from others in management.

 

[OPECJet]

Unless directed by a maintenance procedure, a checklist or the AFM ..

We have a winner. ACP's aren't maintenance procedures either.....

If it's broke, it needs to be written up. It will be on the airplanes I'm assigned to if I get recalled....

 

[pilotyip]

As for flying in LRC, it's complete crap! Who the hell came up with it? MCT in the 680 and you land 15 minutes ahead and usually with the same fuel! As for being dickheads, if it's broke wirte it up. When you pick up a plane and there's a bunch of crap broke that other crews neglected that is more of an inconvenience. These things start having multiple write-ups and it puts them down longer. Just write the damn things up. Part of our job is to make sure they are airworthy and if they are not do your job! This idea to complete the "mission" at all costs is nonsense. Things break and that's it. We fly airplanes not magic carpets. As for the owners going to the competition, be my guest I can gaurantee you that their dispatch reliability is high simply because they DON'T write stuff up. If you want to ride around in a broken piece of crap have at it Mr. Owner!!

maybe in a 680, but in a DA-20 FF at .80 is 3200#'s/hr at .65 it is about 2000#'s/hr.

 

[OPECJet]

Is that with the GE's?

 

[pilotyip]

Is that with the GE's?

yes, WWII jet engine used in the ME-262 rebuilds.

 

[KiddDynomite]

maybe in a 680, but in a DA-20 FF at .80 is 3200#'s/hr at .65 it is about 2000#'s/hr.

The 680 is pretty square in the wing so you don't have the advantage of sweep and speed to play with. My point was someone in NJ dispatch came up with the .72 number arbitrarily. It may work in some but it doesn't work in all, definitely not the 680. While we're on that topic, dispatch also loves to plan for 430 heading west on long flights. She'll make 400 no problem heavy but if you go straight to 430 enjoy the ride at .68, she'll never accelerate! Planes are like people you have to deal with them individually. What works in one doesn't in another even though there are some general similarities. Be safe out there!

 

[Willy21]

I watched a guy fly the 265/.65 climb profile in the 680 on a leg from OKC-SJC this past summer. We made 430 as planned by dispatch alright. When the ALT captured I hacked the clock just to see how long it would take to accelerate to our planned M.78. I stoped the clock after 1h 45 min when we finally broke .3 on the AOA at M.75. All of the gas he saved going straight to 430 on profile was wasted plus a lot more as he never made it to the planned cruise speed.

I find that sometimes what works on paper is not what works on the line. That is why you pay for experienced proffesional pilots. They seem to know when to use the books and when to fly the airplane the way the airplane wants and needs to be flown.

 

[KiddDynomite]

I watched a guy fly the 265/.65 climb profile in the 680 on a leg from OKC-SJC this past summer. We made 430 as planned by dispatch alright. When the ALT captured I hacked the clock just to see how long it would take to accelerate to our planned M.78. I stoped the clock after 1h 45 min when we finally broke .3 on the AOA at M.75. All of the gas he saved going straight to 430 on profile was wasted plus a lot more as he never made it to the planned cruise speed.

I find that sometimes what works on paper is not what works on the line. That is why you pay for experienced proffesional pilots. They seem to know when to use the books and when to fly the airplane the way the airplane wants and needs to be flown.

You have to stop it when it's heavy and burn a bit off. It can get up there but it doesn't like it heavy. I wish guys would think instead of being frigging robots. You're right about that! Trained monkeys! Leave a bunch of bananas in the cockpit!

 

[rajflyboy]

Learjets

Go right up in the 40's

you can level off and accelerate to Red Line with no wait

Lear 85's

Can't wait

 

[OPECJet]

I'm hoping for the new Tens. They'd be stupid not to given the owner perception (or my perception of the owner's perception if that makes any sense) of the X's on the property.