AWA-USA Merger - LOA 93

[Doug Parker]

AWA-USA Merger - LOA 93 - Your Questions Answered !!

Didn't know if this had been posted here yet, but saw it on APC -

LOA 93 - See Page 11 - Fragmentation -
http://home.earthlink.net/~randyleeturner/usairinfo/docs/loa93.pdf

USAir Alpa Contract - See 1F - the section LOA 93 fragmentation refers to -
http://home.earthlink.net/~randyleeturner/usairinfo/docs/Usair%20alpa%20contract1.pdf

THE List -
Do a little backtracking on the above link - it's somewhere

Looks like the furloughs start at Seniority #3538 (DOH 7/18/88) -

Are all of MDA J4J pilots (flowbacks) below that # ??? Oh, and I don't see any of the WO's on that list..........





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[HAL]

On the active portion of that seniority list there are 146 pilots listed as 'retired', and 41 as 'resigned'. That brings the total active to 3351, including those listed as being on 'sick leave/disability'.

So just how short handed are they? With 281 aircraft currently flying, it seems they are stretching their manpower to the edge. Why no recalls from furlough?

HAL

 

[Crzipilot]

Uh oh....your found our dirty laundry. Actually this was covered before I believe, but ya, MEC gave out frag rights. Well company isn't getting fragged. (As far as MDA is concerned, as been discussed there's current disagreements as to what that mess is.)

Other than that, this still applies:

(C) Successorship and Labor Protection​

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1. The Agreement shall be binding upon any successor, including, without limitation, any merged company or companies, assignee, purchaser, transferee, administrator, receiver, executor and/or trustee of US Airways Group or the Company. The Company and US Airways Group shall require a Successor to assume and be bound by all terms of the Agreement as a condition of any transaction that results in a Successor.
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2. If the Successor is an air carrier (or a corporate parent or subsidiary of an air carrier), US Airways Group and the Company shall require the Successor to provide the Company's pilots with a seniority integration governed by the Association Merger Policy, if applicable, and otherwise by Sections 2, 3 and 13 of the Allegheny-Mohawk Labor Protective Provisions. The airline operations of the Company and Successor shall be merged no later than twenty-four months following the integration of the pilot seniority lists and negotiation of an integrated collective bargaining agreement applicable to the merged operation Agreement.

As to running a little slim, ya from what I've heard they are. Why no recalls, I think merger talks is the reason.​

 

[blzr]

bizjournals.com
ALPA worries about America West
Tuesday June 21, 1:01 am ET


The Air Line Pilots Association expressed "deep concern" Monday that management of America West Airlines is ignoring what it calls reasonable requests to help ALPA protect jobs in a US Airways merger.




In a meeting with senior AWA management, leaders of the AWA pilots union said it raised "a small number of concerns" but did not get the assurances from some senior managers that they had gotten earlier from CEO Doug Parker.

"It is unfortunate that the pilots are not getting a clear and consistent message from all levels of AWA management," ALPA said.

Parker had assured the pilot union leadership that he wanted to protect his frontline employees, including pilots, from potentially adverse career impacts from the merger, ALPA said.

"Despite his assurances, in less than one week, we were back to the same mentality that legitimate labor concerns come a distant second in the priorities of some senior AWA managers," said J.R. Baker, chairman of the AWA Master Executive Council.

US Airways, now working to emerge from a second Chapter 11 bankruptcy, is the sixth largest legacy airline, while America West is the second largest discount carrier. The two recently announced not only that they would merge, taking the US Airways name, but that a key expansion plan would be to add service to Hawaii. Neither carrier now flies to Hawaii, but America West sells code-share tickets over Hawaiian Airlines.

 

[BeCareful!]

Doug -

What's your comment about the WO's all about?

I seem to remember that you have some confusion about J4J, MDA, CEL, etc.

I think you called me a WO a few weeks ago, totally disregarding that I'm a USAir pilot, with a real number, who just happens to be working at a WO right now through the J4J program. There's about 100 of us doing this right now, all at PSA.

Hope this helps. And remember: Mergers are stressfull, so take time for working out, meditation, etc. Smell the cactus blossoms there in the desert, take in a nice sunset, go for a hike in Oak Creek Canyon, or perhaps a run up Camelback. Relax and remember, it is your group who stands to windfall in this whole mess; mass retirements and tons of cash brought by our management team's financial know-how are going to put your career on a much brighter course.

As always: Happy Windfall!

 

[erjdude]

Doug -

What's your comment about the WO's all about?

I seem to remember that you have some confusion about J4J, MDA, CEL, etc.

I think you called me a WO a few weeks ago, totally disregarding that I'm a USAir pilot, with a real number, who just happens to be working at a WO right now through the J4J program. There's about 100 of us doing this right now, all at PSA.

Hope this helps. And remember: Mergers are stressfull, so take time for working out, meditation, etc. Smell the cactus blossoms there in the desert, take in a nice sunset, go for a hike in Oak Creek Canyon, or perhaps a run up Camelback. Relax and remember, it is your group who stands to windfall in this whole mess; mass retirements and tons of cash brought by our management team's financial know-how are going to put your career on a much brighter course.

As always: Happy Windfall![/QUOTE

I havent seen any windfall. In fact I was very happy with the coarse this airline was on before the merger. Now hiring has come to a halt furlough rumors are flying and we have very uncertain future. Windfall my A@#.

You are way to bitter about something that hasnot even happened yet.

 

[HAL]

Relax and remember, it is your group who stands to windfall in this whole mess; mass retirements and tons of cash brought by our management team's financial know-how are going to put your career on a much brighter course.

As always: Happy Windfall!

So what was that you were smoking?

As erjdude said, I was doing great, with people being hired behind me, growth ahead, and happy with my job. Now that the merger has been announced, AWA stopped hiring, we're giving back jets, and there's a posibility that another furlough is in my future. I wouldn't call that a windfall.

And for the other part - mass retirements and tons of cash brought by our management team's financial know-how??????

I wouldn't call a company in bankruptcy for the second time since 9/11 one that had a lot of management know-how. Sorry.

I honestly do hope it goes well for all of us. If it works out well we could all have a great career in the future. I just think a little more humility by all the pilots involved would be a good thing.

HAL

 

[Green]

Be careful,

Even with all the furloughees stapled beneath active AWA pilots I don't think that would protect Awa pilots from a furlough. To call it a windfall is absurd. You guys gave up the farm with scope and once those emb 190's start coming on property I don't see any reason for management to keep the 737 fleet around. Massive retirements don't mean a thing when you are parking 60+ planes and sending all the new airframes to express. You negotiated away your own jobs through three rounds of concessionary agreements and now you want us to bear the brunt of Beebie and Pollock's stupidity? I hardly think that would be fair and equitable.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

In all fairness most of us (99-01 hires) were on the street awaiting our
"soft landing" and didn't have the opportunity to vote away our jobs.

It was done on our behalf.

 

[Green]

yes I understand you didn't personally vote away your own jobs. It was done through your elected representatives. I think Chris Beebie and Pollock both sold out their junior members. I see quite a bit of consolidation after the merger and I don't see where Becareful keeps coming up with this "HAPPY WINDFALL" garbage. I think we'll be lucky to be in business in 10 years and with a scope limit of over 400 RJ's large amounts of retirements don't necessarily translate into mainline hiring.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Doug -

What's your comment about the WO's all about?

I seem to remember that you have some confusion about J4J, MDA, CEL, etc.

I think you called me a WO a few weeks ago, totally disregarding that I'm a USAir pilot, with a real number, who just happens to be working at a WO right now through the J4J program. There's about 100 of us doing this right now, all at PSA.

Hope this helps. And remember: Mergers are stressfull, so take time for working out, meditation, etc. Smell the cactus blossoms there in the desert, take in a nice sunset, go for a hike in Oak Creek Canyon, or perhaps a run up Camelback. Relax and remember, it is your group who stands to windfall in this whole mess; mass retirements and tons of cash brought by our management team's financial know-how are going to put your career on a much brighter course.

As always: Happy Windfall!

Lemme see.I don't do red eyes,nor have any desire to fly overseas,so that eliminates the threat of me ever stealing your seat in that beloved A330 you seem to have wet dreams over every night. I have the senority to hold reserve Capt. in any airplane in our fleet,but chose not to at this time to spend more time at home with my wife son and daughter. Should this merger ever see the light of day and the senority intergration is setteled via binding arbitration , I feel that statement will no longer apply. Not only that, due to my age, I will probably have to spend the rest of my career flying as an F/O for a jacka$$ like you. Care to explain where that windfall is again.... ?? I seemed to have missed it!


PHXFLYR

 

[BeCareful!]

And for the other part - mass retirements and tons of cash brought by our management team's financial know-how??????

I wouldn't call a company in bankruptcy for the second time since 9/11 one that had a lot of management know-how. Sorry.
HAL

Hal, you gotta read the words. I said financial know-how......NOT management know-how. There's a difference. Our execs rounded up the money being dumped into US/AW, because that's what they're good at. In fact, they had a bunch lined up before the merger was on the table.

As for humility, I agree. My attitude on this board stems from several of YOUR pilots who trash talk here and elsewhere. Mostly, I visit here out of morbid curiosity....very little value in anything posted on this board (my stuff included.)

As for my Windfall remarks, any of you guys who'd like to trade places with a U furloughee right now, PM me and I can set you up with an early summer, 1999 hire date. I'll trade you! For many of you AWA posters here, it'll be a date of hire several years ahead of when you hired on at AWA.

No takers? Yeah....thought so.

So, Hal, how is it that you think having a minimum of 1500 furlough cushion, on the backs of pilots who worked hard to get to a major long before some of your guys, along with an international route structure, huge retirements coming, wide bodies, etc. isn't a good thing for you?

Was the Star Alliance busting down Parker's door to get AWA on board?

Trust me, this is a good thing for both carriers, but I wouldn't expect any of you to admit it.

Take care.

 

[BeCareful!]

Not only that, due to my age, I will probably have to spend the rest of my career flying as an F/O for a jacka$$ like you.
PHXFLYR

Yes, but only a jackass LIKE me, so don't worry. It won't actually be me, because I'll be thousands of numbers junior to you.

Take care. I'm actually OK to fly with.....it's just my Internet personality that sucks these days

 

[PHXFLYR]

So what was that you were smoking?

As erjdude said, I was doing great, with people being hired behind me, growth ahead, and happy with my job. Now that the merger has been announced, AWA stopped hiring, we're giving back jets, and there's a posibility that another furlough is in my future. I wouldn't call that a windfall.

And for the other part - mass retirements and tons of cash brought by our management team's financial know-how??????

I wouldn't call a company in bankruptcy for the second time since 9/11 one that had a lot of management know-how. Sorry.

I honestly do hope it goes well for all of us. If it works out well we could all have a great career in the future. I just think a little more humility by all the pilots involved would be a good thing.

HAL

AMEN my Cactus brother from a different mother!!! I'll give you good money for that HA senority number....!!


PHXFLYR

 

[PHXFLYR]

Yes, but only a jackass LIKE me, so don't worry. It won't actually be me, because I'll be thousands of numbers junior to you.

Take care. I'm actually OK to fly with.....it's just my Internet personality that sucks these days

Well....,at least you got that much right !!!


PHXFLYR

 

[BeCareful!]

Yeah, you're a real "joy" yourself, PHXFLYR.

 

[Crzipilot]

Happy Happy Joy Joy