Avoid at all cost

[CUEBOAT]

I was working for a realestate developer known as the*************** ave in Miami FL. Under the ********** are many companies.I was working specifcally for a co. called ******** which on paper is a Bahamian co. When I begun employemeent I signed a payment agreement for $27,000 stating they would pay me this for a years employment. About 6 weeks ago the co purchacased a Caravan to replace the chieftain I had been flying. I was supposed to go to Caravan FlightSeafety on Aug ****. On August *** I was flying the chieftain and was struck by lightning at about 4000agl, I lost vision for a few seconds and the airplane ended up inverted. I was sinking like a 7000lbs paper weight, I did what i had to to avoid taking a dirt nap in the atlantic ocean, which involded wrinkling the wings a bit. The co. wants the insurance to call it a total loss the insurance wants to repair it. 2 A&P say it can be fixed.I wish at the time I knew my fate but i was under the assumption everything was fine so I played nice with the insurance co., I wish i would have just walked away and made no claim to have been flying the A/C when it happened.(Part91) So this past thursday I am told I no longer have a job because i can't be insured due to my low total time. The boss then offered to help me find a job, I asked then if i could have a severance package and i'll look for my own job. He agrees and we agree to meet on monday. Keep in mind i moved from NYC to Miami for this job. Monday rolls around we meet, long story short he says he is giving me nothing, i pull out my contract and show him he owes me $23,000, he snatches it from my hand and steals it from me. He claims it is really his because i made the copy on his copy machine. At this point I decide i won't win.

 

[avbug]

There are so many things wrong with that post I can't begin to think where to start tackling them. You're a low time pilot working for twenty seven thousand a year, but have expeirence flying a G IV from your self-statement. You were flying a navajo out over the ocean and lost control, and wrinkled the wings, and are surprised that you are no longer employed to fly that airplane. You claim to be a professional pilot, but then make the statement that you wish you'd claimed you were never flying the aircraft that was damaged (while you were flying it). You are flying under contract, but have only one copy of a xerox of the "contract."

You seem to be under the impression that because the flight was operated under Part 91, then you have no obligation or responsibility.

Pilots are disposable. And a dime a dozen.

Do you think the fact that you made a move on the companies behalf means anything to the employer? Of course not.

That the airplane had wrinkled wings and your employer still offered to help you find another job is rather amazing. That's a very generous offer on the part of your employer. That you turned it down is rather foolish.

Your story reminds me of someone who came to us looking for a seat this spring. He had about 800 hours of convential gear time, but only in small equipment, and nothing in ag equipment. We told him to go get several hundred hours of time in an ag airplane to at least give something to the insurance company. He got a job with a company towing gliders in an ag truck. It was a start. He made three landings before totalling the aircraft, losing control on the third landing.

When I spoke to him after the fact, he said it was okay, it shouldn't count because he wasn't actually employed, and it was just a glider operation anyway. His sense of personal responsibility for destroying the aircraft and a man's business was nill; he felt he had been wronged because the employer had asked him to do wheel landings and he couldn't do them...he groundlooped and crashed the airplane trying to wheel land.

I see a great deal of similiarity between his attitude and yours.

You haven't tried your hand in an Ag Truck, lately, have you?

 

[dhc8fo]

hehehehe.....good reply avbug.

 

[falconpilot]

There are so many things wrong with that post I can't begin to think where to start tackling them. You're a low time pilot working for twenty seven thousand a year, but have expeirence flying a G IV from your self-statement. You were flying a navajo out over the ocean and lost control, and wrinkled the wings, and are surprised that you are no longer employed to fly that airplane. You claim to be a professional pilot, but then make the statement that you wish you'd claimed you were never flying the aircraft that was damaged (while you were flying it). You are flying under contract, but have only one copy of a xerox of the "contract."

You seem to be under the impression that because the flight was operated under Part 91, then you have no obligation or responsibility.

Pilots are disposable. And a dime a dozen.

Do you think the fact that you made a move on the companies behalf means anything to the employer? Of course not.

That the airplane had wrinkled wings and your employer still offered to help you find another job is rather amazing. That's a very generous offer on the part of your employer. That you turned it down is rather foolish.

Your story reminds me of someone who came to us looking for a seat this spring. He had about 800 hours of convential gear time, but only in small equipment, and nothing in ag equipment. We told him to go get several hundred hours of time in an ag airplane to at least give something to the insurance company. He got a job with a company towing gliders in an ag truck. It was a start. He made three landings before totalling the aircraft, losing control on the third landing.

When I spoke to him after the fact, he said it was okay, it shouldn't count because he wasn't actually employed, and it was just a glider operation anyway. His sense of personal responsibility for destroying the aircraft and a man's business was nill; he felt he had been wronged because the employer had asked him to do wheel landings and he couldn't do them...he groundlooped and crashed the airplane trying to wheel land.

I see a great deal of similiarity between his attitude and yours.

You haven't tried your hand in an Ag Truck, lately, have you?

Give the kid a break... He already lost his job... And now you want to give him a lecture... Yea he f*cked up... Luckily he made it out ok... Have you never f*cked up?

 

[Gulfstream 200]

This post is pretty disturbing.....

You come home with a totaled aircraft and a story about t-storms, lightning strkies, innverted, and almost spashing in the ocean...

and you want a severance? I would have given you a smack in the head right after you were fired. You just cost me more in insurance premium rise than you make in 5 years. Sorry pal its business.

You just sound GEN X, like you dont accept any responsibilty? ($hit happens, right?) did you have pax on this flight?

maybe he thought about his / his employees lives in your hands?

Got news for you, you're a pilot --- you are 100% disposable (as you now know)

Sorry, from how you explain it, I would have canned you on the spot.

 

[Doug Parker]

Give the kid a break... He already lost his job... And now you want to give him a lecture... Yea he f*cked up... Luckily he made it out ok... Have you never f*cked up?

Yeah, he f*cked up or is f*cked up, that's why he is an AgPilot

 

[avbug]

Give the kid a break... He already lost his job... And now you want to give him a lecture... Yea he f*cked up... Luckily he made it out ok... Have you never f*cked up?

Yes, I have "f*cked up," and yes, I have taken personal responsibility for it on the spot...not thrown responsibility on everyone else, then condemned my employer for my mistakes publically. Give him a break? He's the one who posted his errors, then in the same post not only denied responsibility, but began to condemn those around him. Give him a break for what, exactly?

Yeah, he f*cked up or is f*cked up, that's why he is an AgPilot

Boy, you really don't want to go there. I fly ag by choice, and I'm grateful for the opportunity to do so. I don epaulettes, a white, shirt, and tie in order to fill in the spare time when not flying utility aircraft, but have always considered that the backup plan. I find every year that my skills deteriorate and erode as an aviator in between spray and fire seasons...but I certainly never elected to fly ag because it was a step down.

Many moons ago I was in Grangeville, ID, on a fire contract in a large airplane. I had a day off, and did a day trip down the Salmon river. I was in a raft with the owner of the company, both of us enjoying the quiet and the river. A girl in the boat asked him what he did. He told her. She looked puzzled, and then asked him if he hoped to fly for the airlines some day.

He looked her for a moment, and tried to say it as truthfully and evenly as he could, without being obtuse. "Well, maam, that would be a step...down."

I nearly fell out of the boat, I was laughing so hard.

He was right.

 

[bugchaser]

I don't think that Avbug was lecturing him because he f*cked up. The problem with the guy and many others is that nobody wants to accept any responibility for their own actions. Everyone wants to blame someone else for their own actions. What would you want the employer to do? Let him keep his job? Sounds like he lost control of the airlpane and destroyed it. Very lucky that whoever was onboard was not killed. Whats amazing to me is how some of these guys think that they are ready for the real world with x amount of hours and no real experience. The real world is harsh, especially in aviation. You don't get to f*ck up. Count your blessings that you are not dead. If that sounds harsh, it was meant to be.

 

[CUEBOAT]

I never made claim to being an ag pilot? Simply warning others to avoid this company if they can help it. Well when I get screwed I tend to have some pretty harsh feelings. I dont know what you guys read but I did take full responsibility for the aircraft. I don't think I should have been told 2 weeks after it happened that I no longer have a job. I wish I was told immediatley I would have been in a better position. I just didn't like the fact that i was strung along , why didn't the company man up and tell me what they felt? I have zero respect for those pilots that view themselves as disposable, I guess that is part of the reason this industry is as bad as it is. I think im getting out for good, a person can make more money with no real skills driving a taxi in nyc with far less responsibility. I dont know but i don't think that makes sense.

 

[se1776]

Chautauqua will be happy to hire you.

 

[avbug]

Well when I get screwed I tend to have some pretty harsh feelings.

That you have harsh feelings is not in dispute. Who "screwed" who is a little more ambiguous. I believe it was you that wrecked your bosses airplane, was it not, or did we get that part wrong?

I dont know what you guys read but I did take full responsibility for the aircraft.

Juxtaposed to:

I wish i would have just walked away and made no claim to have been flying the A/C when it happened.(Part91)

I don't think I should have been told 2 weeks after it happened that I no longer have a job. I wish I was told immediatley I would have been in a better position. I just didn't like the fact that i was strung along , why didn't the company man up and tell me what they felt?

You totalled their aircraft by flying a piston engine airplane over the ocean in thunderstorms at night, and they kept you employed for an additional two weeks, and then offered to help find you another job when their insurance would no longer carry you due to your recent accident history and total lack of experience. You find this unfair exactly HOW??

I have zero respect for those pilots that view themselves as disposable, I guess that is part of the reason this industry is as bad as it is.

Lets see here, pilot flies piston airplane out over the ocean at night in thunderstorms, gets struck by lightening, destroys airplane...and has complete disrespect for others who view themselves as disposable. If you're willing to push yourself that far, you've got to know that sooner or later you're a statistic. Seems you're the one who views himself as being disposable, else you wouldn't be doing that now, would you? You have, therefore, zero respect for yourself.

By your own assertion, logic follows, you are to blame for the industry problems, and from your posts, indeed you are. You feel the world owes you a living, you feel that you are something you are not. Apparently neither your employer, nor the industry, agrees with you. The insurance company apparently doesn't see things the way you do, either. Be sure to slam them while you're up on that soapbox.

Pilots are a dime a dozen, and from the corporate perspective, we are all disposable. Have you not learned that by now?

I think im getting out for good, a person can make more money with no real skills driving a taxi in nyc with far less responsibility.

A wise decision, perhaps the best one you've made yet. Apparently a person can make a living with no skills in a Navajo, too, though there's always that 27,000 dollar thing and the responsibility.

When I begun employemeent I signed a payment agreement for $27,000 stating they would pay me this for a years employment.

You aren't by chance talking about a salary, are you?

Monday rolls around we meet, long story short he says he is giving me nothing, i pull out my contract and show him he owes me $23,000, he snatches it from my hand and steals it from me.

Would that be the xeroxed copy of the "contract," your only copy in this lonely world, the one that spelled out your salary (the one to which you were no longer entitled because your employment had been terminated)? That contract? You didn't happen to see the words "at will" at any point in that contract, did you?

I don't believe I've seen any pilot salary contract that promised the money regardless of the term of employment, and regardless of pilot performance. You got quite a deal there, but it was probably because of your vast experience in high dollar turbojet equipment (GIV, wasn't it?). Shame your boss stole your contract from you, though. What are bosses coming to these days?

At this point I decide i won't win.

Most folks would have figured that out a long time ago.

I did what i had to to avoid taking a dirt nap in the atlantic ocean, which involded wrinkling the wings a bit.

That whole "dirt nap" thing sounds really dramatic, almost micky spillaneesque. All you needed was a broad, and a dark rainy night. Actually, you had the dark rainy night...anybody else on board with you at the time?

Just how does one take a "dirt nap" in the ocean? Does the ocean not wash off the dirt? Where does the dirt come from? Can one nap in the ocean? Or is that just a figure of speech?

What does one do from 4,000' at night in a thunderstorm after being struck by lightening to wrinkle wings and avoid taking a dirt nap, anyway? I'd think that at a minimum your employer would be paying you at least the cost of the airplane for such strong flying skills that you managed to fly the wreckage home to him so that he could file a claim.

Keep going. This is good stuff. You're about fifteen feet down and still digging...

 

[Diesel]

Two interesting things that will come from this.

1. You won't reference GIV or DA-50 flight time when you go inverted in a navajo in a thunderstorm. Who does that stuff anymore?

2. The owner of the plane is going to pay to make sure that he has a qualified high time pilot in the front seat from now on. He went cheap and it cost him a ton.

I would have fired you in a second. What were you doing flying that close to a thunderstorm.

 

[A.W.E.S.O.M-O]

CUEBOAT has also failed to mention that after his ride through the tstorm, he did another roundtrip the same day from OPF to Bimini and back with pax. Sean should have fired you on the spot, not for only wrecking his navajo, but for puting him and his employee's in an unsafe situation after the incident.

 

[Yank McCobb]

CUEBOAT has also failed to mention that after his ride through the tstorm, he did another roundtrip the same day from OPF to Bimini and back with pax. Sean should have fired you on the spot, not for only wrecking his navajo, but for puting him and his employee's in an unsafe situation after the incident.

Based on this info, and his own previous posts, this person should have his certificates revoked. He has no business flying period. Let him go drive a taxi. Wait...on second thought, he has no business even doing that.

I think he should just go back to Brooklyn and see what he can turn up by hanging out on the street.

 

[CUEBOAT]

That you have harsh feelings is not in dispute. Who "screwed" who is a little more ambiguous. I believe it was you that wrecked your bosses airplane, was it not, or did we get that part wrong?

Who wrecked an airplane it will fly again?

Juxtaposed to:

just like i did

You totalled their aircraft by flying a piston engine airplane over the ocean in thunderstorms at night, and they kept you employed for an additional two weeks, and then offered to help find you another job when their insurance would no longer carry you due to your recent accident history and total lack of experience. You find this unfair exactly HOW??


Who was in a thunderstorm?, Avbug you can keep on playing monday morning quarterback all day long. Accident? It was an incident read up on part 830, all knowing all seeing overloard of aviation Avbug

Lets see here, pilot flies piston airplane out over the ocean at night in thunderstorms, gets struck by lightening, destroys airplane...and has complete disrespect for others who view themselves as disposable. If you're willing to push yourself that far, you've got to know that sooner or later you're a statistic. Seems you're the one who views himself as being disposable, else you wouldn't be doing that now, would you? You have, therefore, zero respect for yourself.

By your own assertion, logic follows, you are to blame for the industry problems, and from your posts, indeed you are. You feel the world owes you a living, you feel that you are something you are not. Apparently neither your employer, nor the industry, agrees with you. The insurance company apparently doesn't see things the way you do, either. Be sure to slam them while you're up on that soapbox.

Pilots are a dime a dozen, and from the corporate perspective, we are all disposable. Have you not learned that by now?

Night time? it was day although not completly sunny, again a/c wasnt destroyed. $27,000 for a part time job(2-3 days a week)in a piston twin home every night is excellent pay if you ask me, considering the condition of this industry. Avbug please stop typing as if you know how i feel, you are the one on a soapbox.

A wise decision, perhaps the best one you've made yet. Apparently a person can make a living with no skills in a Navajo, too, though there's always that 27,000 dollar thing and the responsibility.

No skills? Ill take an Avbug checkride if you want me to prove you wrong. I'll even let you choose the plane as long as your paying

You aren't by chance talking about a salary, are you?


um yeah

Would that be the xeroxed copy of the "contract," your only copy in this lonely world, the one that spelled out your salary (the one to which you were no longer entitled because your employment had been terminated)? That contract? You didn't happen to see the words "at will" at any point in that contract, did you?

I don't believe I've seen any pilot salary contract that promised the money regardless of the term of employment, and regardless of pilot performance. You got quite a deal there, but it was probably because of your vast experience in high dollar turbojet equipment (GIV, wasn't it?). Shame your boss stole your contract from you, though. What are bosses coming to these days?

Avbug I dont believe you have seen everything, ever think the reason it was stolen was because I would win in court???? I have jet expierence, not much. however i'll even allow you to exam my logbook if you wish

Most folks would have figured that out a long time ago

That whole "dirt nap" thing sounds really dramatic, almost micky spillaneesque. All you needed was a broad, and a dark rainy night. Actually, you had the dark rainy night...anybody else on board with you at the time?

Just how does one take a "dirt nap" in the ocean? Does the ocean not wash off the dirt? Where does the dirt come from? Can one nap in the ocean? Or is that just a figure of speech?

What does one do from 4,000' at night in a thunderstorm after being struck by lightening to wrinkle wings and avoid taking a dirt nap, anyway? I'd think that at a minimum your employer would be paying you at least the cost of the airplane for such strong flying skills that you managed to fly the wreckage home to him so that he could file a claim.

Keep going. This is good stuff. You're about fifteen feet down and still digging...

Well since the Attitude and HSI were worthless I suppose looping the A/C caused the damage. Yor childish banter about my figure of speech is amusing. All i know is that an a/c wings were bent for my life and I am fine with it. I was indeed solo, furher more I wasn't in a TS I was 30 miles east of one.

 

[CUEBOAT]

CUEBOAT has also failed to mention that after his ride through the tstorm, he did another roundtrip the same day from OPF to Bimini and back with pax. Sean should have fired you on the spot, not for only wrecking his navajo, but for puting him and his employee's in an unsafe situation after the incident.

The damage on the A/C is very minimal. 6 pieces of wing skin will fix that aircraft. I know taking another trip wasn't the best thing to do. However I did it and I have to live with my mistakes. i know I m not perfect so when you make you first mistake of your life please inform me so I can advise you on it.

 

[English]

CUEBOAT, might I suggest you do yourself a favor and DELETE this thread? If you are unsuccessful editing your posts, then write to the webmaster and ask him to delete this thread for you. You've made some serious mistakes, but you've escalated it past your ability to control by posting about it here.

 

[Redmeat]

I would have fired you in a second. What were you doing flying that close to a thunderstorm.

Was riding in the back of a seven-five last summer (non-rev), wont mention the name of the carrier. Anyway, penetrated a Tstorm real good boy. I knew the pilots and they admitted it was imbedded and didn't show up (on radar) supposedly. Anyway if you rode this out single pilot in a NavaJO AND still had sack to do another round trip that day, you don't lack balls guy.

 

[say again]

I'm gonna have to agree with avbug here!!! You royally f-ed up and are lucky to still be alive.


I have a question-

If you say that you were "30 miles" from a TS, how did you become inverted and be struck by lightning??? If your story is true (unlikely), then you had no business being up there , with pax, with such poor instrument skills !!!!!!

 

[CUEBOAT]

I'm gonna have to agree with avbug here!!! You royally f-ed up and are lucky to still be alive.


I have a question-

If you say that you were "30 miles" from a TS, how did you become inverted and be struck by lightning??? If your story is true (unlikely), then you had no business being up there , with pax, with such poor instrument skills !!!!!!

I know i've made mistakes, i never said i didnt. As far as lightning, you need nether clouds nor a TS to create it. Lightning has been seen up to 60 miles from a storm. If you also like to give me a checkride ill take it. i am confident in my Instrument skills

 

[say again]

The damage on the A/C is very minimal. 6 pieces of wing skin will fix that aircraft.

You know this how???? Anytime a wing crinkles it loses its strength, sort of like a coke can!!! Again, you're just lucky you are alive. I think getting out of flying is the best thing you can do for yourself, and for the sake of anyone you fly around!!!!

I've made some mistakes, but nothing as reckless and dangerous as this!!!!

 

[CUEBOAT]

CUEBOAT, might I suggest you do yourself a favor and DELETE this thread? If you are unsuccessful editing your posts, then write to the webmaster and ask him to delete this thread for you. You've made some serious mistakes, but you've escalated it past your ability to control by posting about it here.

I apprecitae the advice english. However i doubt I will pursue a flying job again. So let the chips fall where they may.

 

[CUEBOAT]

You know this how???? Anytime a wing crinkles it loses its strength, sort of like a coke can!!! Again, you're just lucky you are alive. I think getting out of flying is the best thing you can do for yourself, and for the sake of anyone you fly around!!!!

I've made some mistakes, but nothing as reckless and dangerous as this!!!!

your right I am dangerous in a cockpit, you guys win i lose, your smart im dumb, your strong im weak. everyone happy now.

im getting out, not enough money in aviation anyway. Not worth the trouble. Oh and to the clown that tried to insult the streets of brooklyn(the greatest city on earth) that was lame, your a bigboy i'm sure you can do better than that

 

[Diesel]

I've done this a long time I've never wrinkled the skin of an airplane.

For those mx out there doesn't some other stuff bend under the skin? I'm pretty sure it does.

Also depending on the amount of damage you are going to have to report it to the FAA. I'm too lazy to get off my ase to get my aviation law book (final is over) but there is something in there about it.

Dude you survived the first part but you made a douche out of yourself on the second part.

 

[Yank McCobb]

i doubt I will pursue a flying job again. So let teh chips fall where they may.

Well, at least you have the ability to see that you have royally dipped yourself in shat and that it's useless to attempt to wash it off.

 

[say again]

I know i've made mistakes, i never said i didnt. As far as lightning, you need nether clouds nor a TS to create it. Lightning has been seen up to 60 miles from a storm. If you also like to give me a checkride ill take it. i am confident in my Instrument skilld

I'm not a D.E. so no checkride today, and, I don't know if I'd get in a plane with you!!! So how did you get yourself inverted, in all honesty???

 

[Diesel]

all that GIV, Learjet time and falcon 50 time really helped out didn't it?

 

[CUEBOAT]

Dont fret the skys are safe again, cause cueboat is no longer flying. give me a break i know pilots with far less skills flying with 70pax in the back. Nothing needs to be reported already consulted counsel on this. I would even gaurantee i could get a job flying again after this.

got inverted more than likely cause i couldnt see for 15 secs, how about you fly blind folded in crystal clear skys and see how well it works out.

Diesel actually jet time hinders a person flying a small prop. Also no numerical value is placed upon an a/c to decide an accident. you also should read up 830

 

[avbug]

Apparently you're content to keep on digging. Very well, then.

There were no thunderstorms within 30 miles of your position? This is now your assertion? How do you explain the lightening strike? How do you explain being struck by lightening, when the nearest thunderstorm was 30 miles away? Did you not make the following statements for us?

I was indeed solo, furher more I wasn't in a TS I was 30 miles east of one.

This, as opposed to...

On August 9th I was flying the chieftain and was struck by lightning at about 4000agl, I lost vision for a few seconds and the airplane ended up inverted.

Is it your assertion that the lightening jumped 30 nm from the thunderstorm and tagged you?

About being inverted...you just stated that you damaged the aircraft while performing a loop (not going to try to analyze that one...we'll take it at face value that at night over the water after going blind and without attitude reference you were able to determine that it was a loop you completed)...how does being inverted figure into that loop? Was that an outside loop, and if so, which way are the wings bent? Truly amazing, if you ask me.

The damage on the A/C is very minimal. 6 pieces of wing skin will fix that aircraft.

So says you, and there you go again, trying to minimalize the events in question. Aren't you the one who insists he or she takes full responsibility? Six pieces of wing skin, you say. Apparently you're not a mechanic, or you might realize that skin doesn't wrinkle unless the underlying structure is damaged. If you wrinkle a wing, you can bet dollars for doughnuts that the underlying structure has sustained damage. You may also be aware that as the structure is semi-monocoque, a large share of the strength of the structure is in the wing skin. Fail the skin, you can suffer a structural failure.

I know taking another trip wasn't the best thing to do. However I did it and I have to live with my mistakes.

Are you of the same ilk that would cavelierly put a gun to someone's head, pull the trigger, and when nothing happens, shrug your shoulders and casually comment, "Oh well. It's okay. Nothing happened." Is that you?"

You damaged an airplane to the point that a wing bent, the skin was wrinkled, at night over the ocean in a thunderstorm in a piston powered airplane, lost your instruments, and then repeated the flight shortly thereafter in the same aircraft? You find this to be a little mistake that you'll "just have to live with?" What you did was criminal. Insanely stupid. Not just foolish, but rabidly, forcefully, potentially fatally stupid. You risked others lives with your own stupidity. Other posters here have been far too kind. If you'd done that to me, or my employees, or my airplane, you wouldn't have any teeth left through which to keep making your excuses. Utterly, absolutely inexcuseable. You should not only lose your pilot certificates, but your freedom. Your actions were criminal.

I'll lose my remaining faith in the Administrator if you don't experience a certificate revocation for your actions. God help the fare-paying cab passenger you drive if you return to New York. You need something far and remote where you have less chance of hurting someone. I can't imagine what that could be, given that depth of sheer stupidity, but certainly there is a corner of the globe where that level of incompetence won't be prosecuted against the innocent. Somewhere.

Perhaps amazing of all is that not only did you do these things, but you wanted money for doing it, you wanted the rest of your salary, you wanted severance, and even denied help in finding additional work from your employer. Your arrogance is exceeded only by your lack of judgement, which is an increadible leap of it's own accord.

Avbug I dont believe you have seen everything, ever think the reason it was stolen was because I would win in court???? I have jet expierence, not much. however i'll even allow you to exam my logbook if you wish

Stolen? You dunce. You think you'd win in a court of law, and you don't have the brains to have more than one xerox copy of your so-called "contract?" Darwin, we have the missing link!

Who was in a thunderstorm?, Avbug you can keep on playing monday morning quarterback all day long. Accident? It was an incident read up on part 830, all knowing all seeing overloard of aviation Avbug

The fact that you were struck by lightening, according to your own testimony, is fairly strong indication of it's own accord that you were in or in very close proximity to a thunderstorm. See, they call it a thunderstorm because of the thunder...thunder comes following the lightening. See the connection there? My, my, you're a rocket scientist. But here you go, minimizing the events again, refusing to take responsibility for your actions.

Read up on Part 830, shall we? Let's shall...

§ 830.2 Definitions.

"Aircraft accident" means an occurrence associated with the operation of an aircraft which takes place between the time any person boards the aircraft with the intention of flight and all such persons have disembarked, and in which any person suffers death or serious injury, or in which the aircraft receives substantial damage.

"Substantial damage" means damage or failure which adversely affects the structural strength, performance, or flight characteristics of the aircraft, and which would normally require major repair or replacement of the affected component. Engine failure or damage limited to an engine if only one engine fails or is damaged, bent fairings or cowling, dented skin, small punctured holes in the skin or fabric, ground damage to rotor or propeller blades, and damage to landing gear, wheels, tires, flaps, engine accessories, brakes, or wingtips are not considered "substantial damage" for the purpose of this part.

Guess what, brightspark, wrinkled wing skin and underlying structural damage is substantial damage. Have YOU read the regulation??

You aren't by chance talking about a salary, are you?

um yeah

Glad you established that fact. You're asserting that you had a contract, at your low level of inexperience in the industry, that promised you twenty seven thousand dollars weather you worked a day or a year? One that promised you the full ammount even if you wreck the company aircraft and place the lives of those on board in jeopardy by continuing to operate that aircraft after the fact? You are one truly amazing negotiator. I'm in awe.

Night time? it was day although not completly sunny, again a/c wasnt destroyed.

Yet you were blind, went inverted, looped the airplane, lost all your instruments and couldn't recover without them (in the daylight), and bent the wings and wrinkled the skin all the same. Again, truly amazing. Keep digging. Keep digging.

No skills? Ill take an Avbug checkride if you want me to prove you wrong. I'll even let you choose the plane as long as your paying

Ah well, you see...I don't imagine anybody could pay me enough to get in an airplane with you. Giving you a checkride would be a waste of time, as you said more than enough already. I suspect that at this stage in the game for you, a competency checkride would be generous for you, instead of merely revoking your certificates for your actions. I find it rather increadulous that you would suggest at this stage that anybody would be stupid enough to pay you to get in their airplane...certainly I wouldn't pay for the airplane. Good grief.

Keep on digging. Give a man enough rope, he hangs himself. You tie the perfect knot.

I know i've made mistakes, i never said i didnt. As far as lightning, you need nether clouds nor a TS to create it. Lightning has been seen up to 60 miles from a storm. If you also like to give me a checkride ill take it. i am confident in my Instrument skills

Yes, it shows. And you should be. After all, you did lose control, end up inverted, loop, and bend the wings. You should be confident after that.

Unfortunately, it's your blind overconfidence that makes you so dangerous.

You sure about that lightening thing?

 

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If you ask me flying that airplane the day after wrinkling the skin, is grounds for an Emergency Revocation.