Aviatrix? Oh Aviatrix? Where art though my Aviatrix?

[hvydriver]

Better get a new Rx for those glasses Hvy, you're getting me confused with someone else.

Righto.

 

[§kyye Candy]

Righto.

What is "Righto?" I guess I will take that as an apology.

 

[erichartmann]

You're right Aviatrix, it did. But the 1224 offering an 18% cut stunk too. Esp. after you raked us over the coals for something we didn't even do.

Hvy, there has been a paradigm shift in reality since your alleged proposal and ours. I don't like it, but I'd rather be working with a total compensation package cut than unemployed or taking an even larger cut to go start over somewhere else. Besides, anyone who thinks DHL/DPWN will reconsider is partaking heavily of recreational pharmacuticals, so the real goal isn't to keep the DHL job, rather it is to move on in the ACMI real world rather than try to stay in the DHL dream ACMI world.

 

[shooter]

Hvy, there has been a paradigm shift in reality since your alleged proposal and ours. I don't like it, but I'd rather be working with a total compensation package cut than unemployed or taking an even larger cut to go start over somewhere else. Besides, anyone who thinks DHL/DPWN will reconsider is partaking heavily of recreational pharmacuticals, so the real goal isn't to keep the DHL job, rather it is to move on in the ACMI real world rather than try to stay in the DHL dream ACMI world.

Lets look at the first half of 2008;

Kitty Hawk
Skybus
Eos
Aloha
ATA
Champion

Did I miss anyone?

EDIT: Oh, and United just said they will furlough close to 1000 pilots.

Now add Astar and most of ABX….I think there are more pilots than jobs.

You guys do what you need to do to keep flying. If you don't you may never fly again.

And for what it's worth (and I'm not on any pharmaceuticals) I personally am keeping what pressure I can on anti-trust problems with the UPS deal by writing and calling and asking friends to do the same. It may be a futile effort, but I can't see the thousands upon thousands of jobs just go quietly into the night. We have to try.

 

[DC8CRIVER]

See everyone. The old paradigm shift makes it OK. It's alright now.

EH. For the most part, we're just yanking the chain of the frostitute that slammed us so righteously over a bad rumor that she flamed into a nation wide body slam. The fact that she never owned up to this slanderous mistake showed her weak yellow belly and lack of any backbone at all.

And now that she's silent about this issue at ABX proves that she is the hypocritical wench that we all know she really is.

8

 

[erichartmann]

Lets look at the first half of 2008;

Kitty Hawk
Skybus
Eos
Aloha
ATA
Champion

Did I miss anyone?

EDIT: Oh, and United just said they will furlough close to 1000 pilots.

Now add Astar and most of ABX….I think there are more pilots than jobs.

You guys do what you need to do to keep flying. If you don't you may never fly again.

And for what it's worth (and I'm not on any pharmaceuticals) I personally am keeping what pressure I can on anti-trust problems with the UPS deal by writing and calling and asking friends to do the same. It may be a futile effort, but I can't see the thousands upon thousands of jobs just go quietly into the night. We have to try.

I have no problem with keeping up the pressure and making the effort, I simply think it a forlorn hope.

 

[erichartmann]

.....

 

[hvydriver]

I have no problem with keeping up the pressure and making the effort, I simply think it a forlorn hope.

On this we agree Eric. I've written everyone, with the expectation that nothing will happen.

 

[AV8OR]

On this we agree Eric. I've written everyone, with the expectation that nothing will happen.

Ditto for me.

 

[§kyye Candy]

I wrote to Sen. Brown (the irony of the name. ha), but I also see it an effort in vain. Good point about going quietly into the night though; I suppose that's why I bothered.

As long as we are all in letter-writing campaign mode, you may also consider writing to the powers that be regarding the insanity of NOT drilling for oil in our own backyard while we are developing alternative energy sources and while China raids the supply... no way of telling how many of our jobs will be gone before that debacle is done.

Come to think of it, with all of the development in Asia, perhaps I should go back to school and learn Chinese... but I digress.

 

[ABX9av8or]

You're right Aviatrix, it did. But the 1224 offering an 18% cut stunk too. Esp. after you raked us over the coals for something we didn't even do.

1224 made it very clear to the company that there are no reductions for DHL flying. All of the talks were for POST DHL. The article that quotes John Graber, was his attempt to negotiate outside the actual talks and draw attention away from his lack of an actual plan for ABX.

 

[FreightBumper]

How do you explain this article in your local ILN newspaper that your CEO states that he has a new "compelling value proposition" to offer to DHL? He uses all the management codewords for concessions.

[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]6/24/2008 10:41:00 PM [/FONT]

[FONT=ARIAL BLACK, ARIAL, SANS SERIF]Offer compelling, says ABX[/FONT]

[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]GARY HUFFENBERGER[/FONT]
[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]Staff Writer[/FONT]

[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]The president of ABX Air believes the company has crafted a proposal the parent company of DHL would find hard to resist. The catch, at this juncture anyway, is getting an audience.[/FONT]
[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]“We have a proposal that we have put together that we think is responsive to what Deutsche Post needs,” said ABX Air President John Graber on Tuesday. He made his comments following the second meeting of a regional task force formed to address Deutsche Post World Net’s plan to restructure the American operations of its subsidiary DHL.[/FONT]
[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]ABX Air has not presented a proposal to Deutsche Post since the May 28 announcement of the restructuring plan. If restructuring is carried out as outlined May 28, more than 7,000 jobs are expected to be eliminated at the Wilmington Air Park.[/FONT]
[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]“We’ve asked to have the opportunity to talk to Deutsche Post about a proposal that we think is compelling,” Graber said.[/FONT]
[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]He added, “We have a compelling value proposition to tell Deutsche Post and DHL. I think if they see it, they’ll recognize the value we provide, and want to give it a chance.”[/FONT]

[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]The ABX Air proposal does not include a coordinated proposal from ASTAR Air Cargo, Graber said. ABX and ASTAR are the two airlines currently providing carrier service for DHL’s air freight shipments in the United States. Like ABX Air, ASTAR’s air operations are based at the Wilmington Air Park.[/FONT]

[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]During the task force meeting held on the Wilmington College campus, Clinton County Administrator and Economic Development Director Mark Brooker reported preliminary data on the economic impact if DHL goes ahead with its plan to contract with United Parcel Service (UPS) to carry and sort its U.S. air freight.[/FONT]

[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]According to Brooker, the economic impact from salary loss for ABX alone, in a worst-case scenario, would be as follows: Clinton County — $80.8 million, Highland County — $54.3 million, Fayette County — $12.3 million, Brown County — $5.5 million and Adams County — $5.4 million.[/FONT]

[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]Brooker and the task force’s Data Committee are continuing to gather information from other counties that would be impacted such as Greene, Warren and Montgomery counties. The committee also is collecting other types of data in order to give the task force a more complete picture of the financial impact on the region’s economy if the restructuring plan is implemented.[/FONT]

[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]Ohio Lt. Gov. Lee Fisher joined the meeting by conference call. Fisher said the Ohio Attorney General has put DHL and UPS on notice that the state of Ohio will look closely at the planned transaction for compliance with Ohio’s antitrust law.[/FONT]

[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]Brown County Commissioner Margery Paeltz asked about the morale of the air park workforce.[/FONT]

[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]Graber replied, “Everyone [at ABX] is wondering what happens next? In spite of the announcement, ABX Air’s people have turned in exceptional performance for DHL since the announcement. Our average on-time performance has exceeded 98 percent since May 28 — the day we found out about DHL’s intentions.[/FONT]

[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]“Our folks are focused and they’re interested in doing a good job for a long, long time. And they’re showing it every day,” continued Graber.[/FONT]

[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]He added, “The system has had three 100 percent on-time nights. That’s very, very hard to do.”[/FONT]

[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]At the air park, there are hundreds of cases where all the adults in a family work there, according to Graber.[/FONT]

[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]Clinton County Commissioner Randy Riley said the Outreach Committee is working on a response to individual employee needs.[/FONT]

[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]“Every one of the numbers we look at is a neighbor, friend or co-worker,” he reminded.[/FONT]

[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]To promote community support for the Wilmington Air Park, the task force has created ILN stickers for people to display on their vehicles. ILN is the airport code for the Wilmington Air Park. The ILN stickers are available in the mayor’s office on the second floor of Wilmington City Hall and in the county commissioners office on the second floor of the Clinton County Courthouse.[/FONT]

[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]Keith Hyde, executive director of Workforce Services Unlimited, reported the Workforce Committee has organized state resources for an initial workforce analysis, and the information will be used if necessary to apply to the U.S. Department of Labor for a National Emergency Grant.[/FONT]

[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]The grant is a source of funds available from the U.S. Secretary of Labor for specific workforce problems that overwhelm a local or state government’s abilities to respond, according to a media release from the office of the Wilmington mayor.[/FONT]

[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]A National Emergency Grant could fund a transition center, assessment of individual talents and abilities, up to two years of retraining for employees, supportive service costs, counseling, career guidance, job placement and follow-up.[/FONT]

[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]U.S. Rep. Mike Turner’s aide Margaret Horst reported to the task force that the federal departments of labor and commerce are aware of the situation.[/FONT]

[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]Further, U.S. Department of Commerce Economic Development representative Robert Hickey visited Clinton County on Tuesday, and discussed federal economic development assistance grants with both city of Wilmington and Clinton County officials.[/FONT]

[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]———[/FONT]

[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]dr — three letters from AG, all docs need to be preserved, “a pretty strongly worded letter”[/FONT]

[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]“One of the things that has become apparent is that I’m nots ure there was an adequate assessment of how the reaction would be from, not only just the local community, but the state and at the federal levels.”[/FONT]

[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]we believe we are starting to have an impact and the more we can keep this going, the better off we’re going to be[/FONT]

[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]anti-trust? other legal issues … look at all includ anti-trust nature, includ those that may have an-trust ramifications[/FONT]

[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]preliminary data, “first-blush type of numbers”[/FONT]

[FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]“We can never lose sight that these are not numbers. These are people, these are families. In many cases, more than one family member working at this facility. I am astounded, it breaks my heart, to think of the number of two-income families with both of the incomes coming from the air park, either ABX or wherever. That percentage is much higher than people realize. So we’re talking about the impact on these people, on the families, on their children, on the loved ones they support. On the community as a whole.”[/FONT]

So at UPS, every time the boss speaks he tells the whole truth. You have never heard management say whatever they need to as to inflame or mislead. Good for you.