average 135 new hire time

[jws717]

I was wondering what are the usual min times are for 135 F/Os are these days?

And if it is still commen to see pilots with 200 tt flying right seat because they know the right people, (or because they are a realy hot chick )?

 

[mike1mc]

Depends on what type of aircraft. Most operations are single pilot (except jets), and as such will require 135 IFR mins (see the FARs). I was VERY fortunate to find a "part time" SIC job with 250 TT. I also put in my 40 hours a week working as the operations administrator for my company. I've probably learned more working in the office dealing with the FAA and TSA then flying.

 

[uscpilot]

I was wondering what are the usual min times are for 135 F/Os are these days?

And if it is still commen to see pilots with 200 tt flying right seat because they know the right people, (or because they are a realy hot chick )?

Are you a hot chick?? If so then you can have what ever you want.
I heard that Airnet will start using the prop SIC program again. However I think you need VFR 135 PIC min.
usc

 

[jws717]

No im a guy, so i have to work for a living, not to say i dont mind working with a hot chick. I like the idea of working as an administrator, i have an aviation degree. If my current cfi job dosent deliver the goods, i might consider that idea.

Im looking for SIC on a turbo prop or jet

I dont know what you mean about airnet props, did you mean the Barrons?

 

[uscpilot]

I dont know what you mean about airnet props, did you mean the Barrons?

If you do not meet 135 IFR PIC mins you will be a prop SIC in any of the props, not just Barons. It is in our ops specs which are authorized by the FAA that we can have prop SIC's, therefore it is loggable towards total time.
Here is the link:
http://www.airnet.com/Careers/Flight_crew/flight_initial.htm
It is not PFT or anything like that, you are a paid crew member. I do not think that they have hired any SICs recently. However there is some what of a pilot shortage as we have alot of prop pilots mostly leaving for the regionals. I have heard that they will start hiring SICs again. They are usually put on runs out of CMH with 8-10 hours of flight. Having the SIC allows them to go over 8 hours. Conciquently you will get your 1200 tt very fast.
good luck
usc

 

[Deftone45075]

The time you'll need simply depends on the company, there are so many different operators with so many different aircraft that there is no generic flight time to apply.

However it is extremely unlikely to get something with 200TT, especially Jet/Trurbo-prop.

Most of what I've seen is about 1500 for SIC in a Jet and 1000 to 1500 SIC in a Turbo-prop.

 

[Timebuilder]

I got in at just over 1,000 TT.

I'm sure that has gone up somewhat, with experienced people being out of work, and all.

 

[100LL... Again!]

You flying again, Timebuilder?

Good deal.

 

[BugSmasher999]

I just got my first 135 gig with 1500TT & ATP, and I consider myself lucky! I know some instructors who have a bad run of luck finding work. I've met other guys out there SIC'ing on King Airs with as low as 300hrs. Or SIC'ing in a Jet with only 700hrs. It make's me feel ill. If only I had that shot I'd be way ahead of where I am now. But It's all worked out for now.

I think it has a lot to do with what the company may expect of you in the future. Companies that like high timers may be thinking of how easily they could move an SIC into the left seat. Low time ugys aren't going to be moving into the left seat for quite some time, so that company may be looking for seat warmers. I'm not an insurance agent -but imagine insuring a guy in a learjet with only 200 hrs. PIC with everything else SIC, at 1200TT. Just a guess, but.....

Maybe I'll call Avemco and run the thought by them, if they hang up on me.....well then, we'll know.

But for anyone building time out there- jump on any flight time you can get...legally and safely that is!

Good luck!

 

[Hawker rider]

hey!

I became captain in a lear with 1200 TT..... flew with a copilot that had 300TT, and no problem getting insurance.

Nowadays the insurance companies ARE getting a lot stricter though, this was about 4 years ago... times change, but we still fly with lowtime co-pilots in the Lears, just a CPL/IR that's all they want.

 

[Ty Webb]

hey!

I became captain in a lear with 1200 TT.....[/i]

Really . . . and what were the special circumstances that led to that? Obviously, it was part 91 flying . . . . and, uh, no offense, but I wouldn't have rode in the back of that plane.

I had 2100TT when I got my first jet type, and that was pretty low time.

 

[Timebuilder]

You flying again, Timebuilder?

Unfortunately, that was a reference to when I was hired, back in the Spring of '02.

I'm hoping to buy my own airplane in five years, less if I can be in the right place at the right time.

 

[Hawker rider]

special circumstances?

I don't think so, mind you as a co-pilot I hadrly got paid anything, not enough to cover my bills, but the owner gave me a roof over my head and paid all meals and hotels (every other weekend paid for the bar tab too...)

Worked my butt off flying cargo, pax and air ambulance. As soon as I hit 135 IFR mins he sent me to CAE to get my typerating.

Don't you think that once you get through 135 training and get a good school for a typerating it's enough. Why would it be UNsafe in my jet??

never flunked a checkride in my life (so far) and you not knowing me... why would you make a statement like that about my flying? I thought that's what the FAR's were also for, to describe a minimum experience requirement for pilots.

For the same reason, there seem to be a lot of people that think that you can't get be captain in a jet without your ATP...read the book, it's all in there.


As far as the name of the company I flew for... I'm not inclined to give names this way. But there are plenty of small operators with 1 or a few planes that operate 135 like this (sometimes on somebody else's certificate) and it isn't rocketscience.

Hard work will get you places!

 

[Ty Webb]

Are you serious? There is a HUGE difference between getting a type rating and operating safely. I know a guy who got a type in a Falcon 900 with 700tt, but under no circumstances would anyone have turned him loose it the thing. Why? He had the type rating, he just hadn't yet gotten enough experience and developed the judgment necessary to operate the airplane as PIC.

Sorry, Charlie, but a 1200tt or 1500tt PIC with a 300 hr FO . . . would I put my wife and kids in the back of that thing? He11, no!

For the same reason, there seem to be a lot of people that think that you can't get be captain in a jet without your ATP...read the book, it's all in there.

Again, under 135, it IS required. Sounds to me like you're either full of it or need to brush up on your regs.

As far as the name of the company I flew for... I'm not inclined to give names this way. But there are plenty of small operators with 1 or a few planes that operate 135 like this (sometimes on somebody else's certificate) and it isn't rocketscience.

In my experience, those places are usually more of a shelter for battered pilots than a corporate flight department, and are best avoided if you have a desire to have a long career!

 

[Hawker rider]

hey TY,

According to FAr135 you can not operate a turbojet airplane as PIC without an ATP only in passenger carrying operations.

So to fly cargo part 135 with a turbojet airplane there is no need for an ATP. Looks like you don't really know the regs, but if you don't fly part135 currently I shouldn't expect you to know them either, just check with any 135 certificate holder and they'll back me up.

If it's wise.....that's a completely other question, and only a typerating doesn't mean too much about somebodies skills. under 135 a typerating itself isn't enough, there is a lot more training involved, and ALL certificate holders are a lot more tight with passing and flunking any tests when you are a new pilot, or just have the legal minimums.

I don't want to get into a flaming war here... but there are other ways to become an experienced pilot then to become a CFI.

when I got to the 1200TT point I had just under 1000 hours as SIC in businessjets. THAT did make a difference

P.s. I wouldn't recommend the route i took to anybody. crappy pay, equipment and lousy if no schedule.

 

[Ty Webb]

I was a 135 jet SIC for a year and a PIC for two. Never carried cargo, so I'll take your word on it. I never instructed, either, and I got my first jet type at 2100tt, so I'm not against low-time captains, but 1200tt seems a bit extreme.

Anyway, apparently you survived it and moved on. Congratulations.