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[FONT=&quot]Here is my guess as to why it's okay to use BeenThereSpunIt's real name. He told us his name in this post...



BeenThereDoneIt said:
Dear Mat,

I am not a FLOPS pilot. I worked for a Frac for a year but moved on to greener ($$$) pastures. I still fly so I have an ongoing keen interest in what happens in the Pilot World. I personally supported the union drive you guys put forth. Without a union contract we all would be stuck in the right seat at year 3 making $42,000 (no offense Waco). I understand the need for a Contract with FLOPS. That being said.....

....you came onto this board with a very decent post, asking people to keep the discussion in-house (although I disagree with you on that). You seemed very professional and I detected a lot of sincerity in your words. THEN...you didn't shut up. You proceeded to post several more times, taking pot shots at, and making personal attacks on those who didn't agree with you. I don't care who shot first......you are in a position of leadership and that negates your right as a professional do retaliate. THEN.....you posted THIS THREAT to your fellow union members.....

I will promise you one thing. We will find out who you are (we always do). And when we do, I will personally insure all of our members know who you are and what you have done to work against their best interests.

Mat.....threatening your fellow union members was the most irresponsible and unprofessional thing I have seen in years. While I hope you guys do eventually find common ground and vote to ratify a decent Contract, I suspect this type of threat from a Union Boss might be the downfall of things of a while. Perhaps you can apologize to these guys for your "Mobster Threat" and they will forgive you, but I personally could never rally behind such a leader. Again, good luck to all of you guys. Your vote affects all of us who fly. Peace.

Kyle Bryant (no anons here, dude)
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I think the expectation to anonymity has been waived. Here is the pertinent part again:

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BeenThereDoneIt said:
Dear Mat,

blah blah blah... <~~~~~ (my words)
Kyle Bryant (no anons here, dude)
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Like I said, I do believe if you "out" yourself then that's it, you don't get to cry when people know who you are.







footnote: the post in question was in the Fractional section of this forum under the thread of "To all members in good standing of IBT Local 1108 that frequent Flightinfo.com:". Post number 64 on page 5 posted on 2/26/10.

 
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Wow these folks were picked from 1000's of resumes. Alot from the companies you work for that you think are so great. There's a lot to be said for job security and the chance to upgrade within 2 to 3 years.
 
Thats great news about the new hires! Not that it matters but the hourly figure based on making $35000 a year with a 7 on 7 off schedule is about $9.00 per hour. Of course that really does not matter as we all have to start somewhere and getting on with a company that is expanding is as good of a place as any in my opinion.
 
j3driver said:
Thats great news about the new hires! Not that it matters but the hourly figure based on making $35000 a year with a 7 on 7 off schedule is about $9.00 per hour. Of course that really does not matter as we all have to start somewhere and getting on with a company that is expanding is as good of a place as any in my opinion.
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What he says!!

Good Post

For a single guy maybe but hell no for a person with a family

Hope for an upgrage >> thats always wishful thinking. Remember that.
 
I don't follow. If you work a "normal" 5 day a week job you work 2,000 hours a year (with 2 weeks off). To make 35k you need an hourly rate of $17.50.

If you have that same job but get every other week off then you only work 1,000 hours and need to make $35.00 an hour to make 35k.

Not sure how $9.00 / hr fits in anywhere.
 
Some would consider being away from home 24/7 equates to 24 hrs/day duty, even though some of that is rest. Twelve hours on day one and seven and 24 hrs every day in between adds up to 144 hours in a week using this philosophy.
 
Glass lets do the math:

7 day schedule at Avantair, 6.00 am duty on for day 1......6.00 pm duty off on day 7 (if you are lucky) That equates to being gone to work 156 hours each week, 25 weeks per year. 156x25=3,900 $35K/3,900 = $8.97 per hour, plus those profit checks...LOL

THERE is $9 per hour. He just rounded up.

(And yes, we are counting ALL the time at work and away from our families, not just "airplane time.")
 
BeenThereDoneIt said:
Glass lets do the math:

7 day schedule at Avantair, 6.00 am duty on for day 1......6.00 pm duty off on day 7 (if you are lucky) That equates to being gone to work 156 hours each week, 25 weeks per year. 156x25=3,900 $35K/3,900 = $8.97 per hour, plus those profit checks...LOL

THERE is $9 per hour. He just rounded up.

(And yes, we are counting ALL the time at work and away from our families, not just "airplane time.")
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Sorry to ask it but where is the better entry-level deal in the industry today?
 
BeenThereDoneIt said:
Glass lets do the math:

(And yes, we are counting ALL the time at work and away from our families, not just "airplane time.")
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so, let me get this straight, I work at ABC company and they tell me I make $15.00 per hour and on a forty hour work week I take home $31,200.00 before taxes. But I work downtown and that is a one hour commute each way. I also get an hour for lunch and I stop for an hour on the way home each day to get a beer. I am gone from home for a total of 12 hours a day. using this logic, my company lied to me cause I am only being paid $10 per hour that I am away from home.

Hmmm, I should also be paid for washing my clothes for work, getting out of bed for work, brushing my teeth for work and taking a shower for work, cause those are all things I do for work and not for myself. :rolleyes:
 
hangarrat said:
so, let me get this straight, I work at ABC company and they tell me I make $15.00 per hour and on a forty hour work week I take home $31,200.00 before taxes. But I work downtown and that is a one hour commute each way. I also get an hour for lunch and I stop for an hour on the way home each day to get a beer. I am gone from home for a total of 12 hours a day. using this logic, my company lied to me cause I am only being paid $10 per hour that I am away from home.

Hmmm, I should also be paid for washing my clothes for work, getting out of bed for work, brushing my teeth for work and taking a shower for work, cause those are all things I do for work and not for myself. :rolleyes:
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I didn't count commuting time to the airport and back home. I cut you some slack on that. I would have to add another 6 hours per week for travel time, ticket counters, security lines, and getting on the first airline, thus adding another 150 hours per year to the equation. Since we all are responsible for getting to work, I didn't even add it in.

You have the option of eating lunch at home if you live close enough. I did it a LOT. Can't do that on the road with Avantair. Stopping for a beer on the way home is an option. I can't count that either since I don't drink. Besides, Avantair doesn't alow you to drink during the duty day.
 
BeenThereDoneIt said:
Beats me,,,,,that's why I left the industry. I'm worth more than that.
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Self worth is not a function of professional compensation. I'd make far less in the academic world than I do in aviation--would I be worth "less" as a humble researcher or in a teaching position?

I'd make less as a military officer. With regard to understandings of worth in terms of compensation, am I really worth more than a soldier, cop, fireman, teacher, etc.?
 
That's awesome. The job that pays $77 per work hour to start, has you home 6 months a year and won't let you drink on duty is labeled a $9 an hour job making less than flight instructors.

Meanwhile every regional starts and ends WAY under us, CAL starts way under us and BTSI thinks our growth and pilot hiring is a bad thing.

Yes, you are truly an amazing person.
 
BeenThereDoneIt said:
Beats me,,,,,that's why I left the industry. I'm worth more than that.
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So why do you spend so much time here, chatting with those that are still in, or want to be in the industry? We get it, you don't like the lifestyle and you chose to leave. Thats good for you, but why do you come on here and remind everyone of the things you didn't like? Validation? You aren't going to get that here.
 
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