Avantair

[myrealnameis]

Yea, leave it to noodles to throw a negative spin in there.

 

[Noodles]

Yea, leave it to noodles to throw a negative spin in there.

What, exactly, do you disagree with? Did I say something that wasn't true?

 

[myrealnameis]

The training contract is true. From what I've heard, they've only ever held one person to it though that left inside that year. Also, your upgrade is based on how well they like you, so you may upgrade at the year mark, or you may not.

If you work more than the 7 1/2 days, you do get paid extra. I think the FO rate is $150/day, or something close to that.

There is no contract, and probably won't be one anytime soon. There was a push for a union over last Christmas, but the two guys that were trying to start it both got fired. There are rumors that there may be another try, but as long as the company keeps making promises to make changes, it probably won't go anywhere.

Anybody remember that Pilot Advisory Board from the last union push? Heard anything from it or seen any changes from it?

If you are truly interested in working at Avantair, just remember that not everything you read on this board is true. But, most of it is.

Lets see............

First of all, upgrades have more to do with performance than how well they like you or not. You have to earn the upgrade, its not automatic. If your not ready for the position, your not gonna upgrade its just that simple. Ive seen a couple of pilots that they liked, who couldnt fly to standards during upgrade training. They are still FO's.

FO overtime pay starts at $230 a day plus per diem.

You are correct that there is no contract. But, 2 pilots did not get fired for trying to start a union. It failed to get the required votes from the pilots. One of the pilots you are talking about got fired for making insulting remarks against the owners wife on this website and even mentioned her by name. The other pilot got caught in the cross fire, not cool. By the way he has since been re-hired with the company.

Your right about the pilot advisory board....no word from them lately.

And I agree with your last statement about what you hear on this board.

People can put thier own spin on anything they want.

 

[Flybet3]

Lets see............

First of all, upgrades have more to do with performance than how well they like you or not. You have to earn the upgrade, its not automatic. If your not ready for the position, your not gonna upgrade its just that simple. Ive seen a couple of pilots that they liked, who couldnt fly to standards during upgrade training. They are still FO's.

FO overtime pay starts at $230 a day plus per diem.

You are correct that there is no contract. But, 2 pilots did not get fired for trying to start a union. It failed to get the required votes from the pilots. One of the pilots you are talking about got fired for making insulting remarks against the owners wife on this website and even mentioned her by name. The other pilot got caught in the cross fire, not cool. By the way he has since been re-hired with the company.

Your right about the pilot advisory board....no word from them lately.

And I agree with your last statement about what you hear on this board.

People can put thier own spin on anything they want.

You took the words out of my mouth.

 

[Noodles]

Ok, so I was wrong about FO overtime pay. I knew it had been changed, but didn't know the amount. I was close.

As for upgrades, that was the last story I heard about upgrades, and, since I haven't seen anything "official" or anything written down, who knows how it will be handled.

I was aware that one of the people got their job back, and I still say he got fired for trying to start the union. The reason they gave him was bogus, and most people know that.

 

[myrealnameis]

Ok, so I was wrong about FO overtime pay. I knew it had been changed, but didn't know the amount. I was close.

As for upgrades, that was the last story I heard about upgrades, and, since I haven't seen anything "official" or anything written down, who knows how it will be handled.

I was aware that one of the people got their job back, and I still say he got fired for trying to start the union. The reason they gave him was bogus, and most people know that.

Alright,

I see your mistake in OT pay was on the Conservative side, i hope not to spin the negative.

As for what you "heard", does that sound logical? Come on, if the person flies like crap and doesn't know a generator from an inverter do you really think he or she is gonna upgrade? No matter if they are liked or not. On the other hand if the person flies great, meets and exceeds the flight standards, but is a jerk with all kinds of attitude do you think that is gonna qualify them for Captain? Performance is based on more that just flying skill. Its takes more than "being a good stick" to be Captain. Does that need to be written down? Common sense must prevail on this subject. What you have "heard" is probably from pilots that can't meet the standards.

As for the other pilot that got re-hired. Which you failed to mention in your post. I will say that his initial termination was BS. But that given, it wasn't because he was trying to start a union. You can spread that rumor all you want, its just not true.
Look at it this way............. your a new owner of a company barley there for a month you fork over untold millions of your own money for control of the company. You write another check for $230 million dollars to purchase a s#it load of planes, buying a bunch of pilots job security for their immediate future. All the sudden some yahoo starts making derogatory statements regarding your wife on an open forum, which by the way a few share holders view. And it turns out it was a couple of your own pilots, or so you thought........what are you gonna do? Well most men are gonna bury a foot in their ass. But that didn't happen instead he just fired them. Now, when the dust settled and it was discovered the other guy had nothing to do with it , he did the right thing and re-hired him. Every pilot who has met the owner has said that he is a very gracious and polite gentleman. But he is Italian so don't piss him off, I think that the other guy got off easy.

 

[johnsonrod]

Slightly off topic - when do the first Avanti IIs arrive and how many are expected through the end of 2006? How many were ordered/optioned total?

 

[myrealnameis]

Slightly off topic - when do the first Avanti IIs arrive and how many are expected through the end of 2006? How many were ordered/optioned total?

Delivery today for the Avanti II............well that was supposed to happen today, we should get it by the end of the week we hope. Supposed to get 1 a month until the order is finished, about 36 aircraft or so. Piaggio is way behind in deliveries to us. I expect to see 4 by the end of the year but you never know for certain with Piaggio.

 

[eagleatr]

Now, when the dust settled and it was discovered the other guy had nothing to do with it , he did the right thing and re-hired him.

Actually, having spoken directly with the person in question, that's not really how he got his job back.

 

[Mr. Pebbles]

Actually, having spoken directly with the person in question, that's not really how he got his job back.

You are correct, eagleatr. I know both of the pilots in question, and neither of them got fired for comments about the owner's wife and the pilot that got hired back went back for personal reasons. The pilot that is no longer with the company never even flew the owner's wife- that can be confirmed by anyone who wants to go back and look through the flight logs for that period, and neither of them was stupid enough to post on this website about the owner's wife. Both pilot's were given BS reasons for being fired, and everyone knows that. Avantair mangagement has been overheard by several people bragging that "they got rid of the people trying for the union." Interestingly enough, the folks that wanted the union in the first place still work there. Strange world.

And as I said in an earlier post- no I do not work for Avantair- just know alot of people there- some of them in a position to know the real facts.

myrealnameis- get your facts straight before you talk- false information can hurt good people's reputations.