Avantair

[Texasskicker]

Avantice

How does this ferrari of the skies handle icing? How are the leading edges anti/de iced?

Anyone had a load on it and how does it fly?

Tx.

 

[RideTheWind]

Hot wings

 

[T-REX]

mmmmmm...hot wings

 

[cfrey79]

Anyone know where the pilot bases are located for Avantair? Is commuting allowed?

 

[cfrey79]

Never mind. Found the answer on a different thread.

 

[Texasskicker]

Hot wings?

How about the canard, is that bleed air heated or electric. The wings dont have that there shiny metal cuff on the leading edges, so how exactly are they heated? How does it handle with ice on it?

Come on boys, give me the technical info. And if you dont know, just say so.

Tx.

 

[justacfii]

Canard is electric, leading edges of the main wing are bleed air, and the engine inlets are little boots. The vert and horiz tail have no de-/ anti ice.


Don't know how it carries it

 

[RideTheWind]

How about the canard, is that bleed air heated or electric. The wings dont have that there shiny metal cuff on the leading edges, so how exactly are they heated? How does it handle with ice on it?

Come on boys, give me the technical info. And if you dont know, just say so.

Tx.

Dude thought you were a real pilot, you really don't know how a wing gets heated? It does not require any shiny metal to be a hot wing. **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** you're are a bright one.

If ya don't know anything say so.

 

[Iam3rd]

I can say that my dealings with Avantair thusfar have been fair. Last August I had two phone interviews with their Chief Pilot, DO and one or two other people were on there also. The next week I was offered the job and was going to start ground school the first of Sept.

I am also a Black Hawk Crew Chief in the North Carolina Army National Guard. Two days after I was offered the job, I found out that I was being deployed to Iraq that November. Instead of waiting till after I started ground school and became an employee of the company (which would have given me the protection under the law with regards to employers and deploying soldiers) I decided to be upfront and honest with them and tell them before I started ground school. I felt like this was the right thing to do. My hopes were that they would at a min. give me a hire date so that I would not lose a whole year of seniority.

I was told that they appreciated what I was going to do over in Iraq and how much respect they had for the military, but that I was no longer going to be able to start ground school. They said it would not make since for me to start in Sept. and only be there for 2 months before I left. I was also told that when I got back, I still had a job with them if I wanted it. They said that they would even put it in writing for me, which I agreed would be good to have. You never know who will still be around after a year.

That was the last conversation I had with Avantair. I never received the letter and after repeated messages that were left inquiring on the status of the letter, my phone calls were never returned.

I am currently in Balad, Iraq and hope to be home in January. The jury is still out on how much integrity the company has. I guess I will find out when I get back. I'm hoping they live up to their word. But so far it isn't looking too good.

 

[Kingairrick]

CP quit last week. A few more on the way out, so I hear...

 

[Texasskicker]

Thanks for the info

Canard is electric, leading edges of the main wing are bleed air, and the engine inlets are little boots. The vert and horiz tail have no de-/ anti ice.


Don't know how it carries it

When you say the inlets are little boots, you mean hot inlets or rubber boots? Wow, so the vert and horiz tail have no way to deal with ice. Curious, maybe the canard design prevents tailplane icing from being a factor.

I'm in awe of the design, thats why i ask these questions. Figger y'all that fly for Avantair'd be the best folks to ask.

My experience is that if its de/anti iced, its got a boot , a mesh (weeping wing) or a heated cuff bleed air system.

Seems like the Itralians got somethin good goin.

Tx.

 

[Kingairrick]

Here's a little Embry Riddle education coming out:
Boots are De icing equipment, heats are usually anti-icing equipment.

P-180 has no "canard", it is a "forward wing." The difference? Canards move, forward wings are fixed...

 

[hyper]

One boring day......

To answer your original question:

Any pilots for Avantair tell me how the day to day ops work? I did a search of course but not much on the line flying. I'm looking for such things as what time do you get back to base day 7, Do you get backed up if you turn down a trip, or delay it, do you get many 2am phone calls, etc?

Typically, your day is up to 14 hrs. long. Sometimes a bunch of flying, sometimes with some sitting time. You never know. That's the "beauty" of the job. Used to be we were flying constantly, very long hours and very long tours. With the 135 regs in place, we get our 10 hrs rest-usually more and things in general have eased for us. We have more planes and more pilots on board so it's gettng better. We are not bothered at all during our rest time. An "actual" schedule is still in the works. Technically it's supposed to be 7/5, but most are working more. If you HAVE to get home after day 7, you'll get home-no tellin' what time. Looks like an 8/6 is on the horizon.

Googester, don't know about your situation, but I can tell you that when you were being interviewed, it was still a very hectic time. Many changes were occuring (still are) in management and I'd imagine that things like that got lost in the shuffle. Our DO is a great guy and I can only imagine he'll honor the promise. Thank you for the job you're doing over there.

Avanti carries ice very well and the anti-ice systems work very well.

Bases (for the millionth time here) are RNO, CDW, PIE. Live where you want as long as you make the trip. Could be out of those bases, could be airlined from a major airport.

On Your Six, cockpit certainly isn't any tighter than most Lears. Our trips usually don't average much more than a couple of hours; easy to do. I've been 4.5 hours with good winds and at that point, I have no problem getting up to stretch and use the lav. My philosophy is that I've managed to "negotiate" routes and altitudes to save the pax $$ in a fuelstop, so I'm sure they won't mind if I'm human for a couple of minutes. Most of our pax are cool folks anyway and understand. Some pretty decent leg room to stretch. With the scenario you give, 13-1400 nm is about average with basic IFR reserves. If you're east coast, you usually stay that side of Tulsa. You could end up with a trip out west and stay there. It's always changing.

2 Premiers are on the line and flying. Don't know much more about it as management has decided to hire outside for the jets.

Collins 85 and Universal, same everyone else is using.

Everett Howe, FOs start at $25. Capts. start $40 (I guess, it keeps changing). Still sucks either way. Months ago,we had much to complain about, but everything is coming together as we grow with the exception of pay. However there are regular bonuses (profit-sharing) being dished out.

RideTheWind- "Thought you all were going to a 7 on 7 off schedule?"

We did too.

 

[earl]

I can say that my dealings with Avantair thusfar have been fair. Last August I had two phone interviews with their Chief Pilot, DO and one or two other people were on there also. The next week I was offered the job and was going to start ground school the first of Sept.

I am also a Black Hawk Crew Chief in the North Carolina Army National Guard. Two days after I was offered the job, I found out that I was being deployed to Iraq that November. Instead of waiting till after I started ground school and became an employee of the company (which would have given me the protection under the law with regards to employers and deploying soldiers) I decided to be upfront and honest with them and tell them before I started ground school. I felt like this was the right thing to do. My hopes were that they would at a min. give me a hire date so that I would not lose a whole year of seniority.

I was told that they appreciated what I was going to do over in Iraq and how much respect they had for the military, but that I was no longer going to be able to start ground school. They said it would not make since for me to start in Sept. and only be there for 2 months before I left. I was also told that when I got back, I still had a job with them if I wanted it. They said that they would even put it in writing for me, which I agreed would be good to have. You never know who will still be around after a year.

That was the last conversation I had with Avantair. I never received the letter and after repeated messages that were left inquiring on the status of the letter, my phone calls were never returned.

I am currently in Balad, Iraq and hope to be home in January. The jury is still out on how much integrity the company has. I guess I will find out when I get back. I'm hoping they live up to their word. But so far it isn't looking too good.

I agree starting ground school would have been a bad idea for the company but telling you they respect your service and then not backing it up is awful. I hope they appreciate the freedom and economic security your are providing. Without your blood, sweat and tears, they wouldn't be able to fly their Sh$Tti little airplanes around this great country of ours. It shouldn't matter one bit if the DO changes or the CP changes, caring about people... is caring about people. Googester I wish you the best of luck and hope when you come back you find a good company the appreciates your sacrifice.

earl

 

[Texasskicker]

Dazzling display of knowledge

Here's a little Embry Riddle education coming out:
Boots are De icing equipment, heats are usually anti-icing equipment.

P-180 has no "canard", it is a "forward wing." The difference? Canards move, forward wings are fixed...

Peering thru the DV window from afar, I'd bet my prize heffer that forward wing has a movable control surface on it.

What do you fly, Kingairrick? Exactly how much time is ~~~~~~? Realizin' that you cowpokes with a ~ in your time window are a buncha wizeazzes.

More serious topic / tailplane icing. Why did the FEDs allow no tail anti / deice on this bird. FEDS have been focused on this problem in the last several years due accidents related to icing.

Tx.