Avantair Union

[OHGOON]

Also, I expect Avantair to go out of business within the year, the final straw being the union vote, just like CA.

Yes, for years, many predicted FLOPS would not survive because of the Union too. This expectation turned out to be complete and utter nonsense. Similarly, CA's current situation has nothing to do with having voted in a Union and everything to do with incompetent management that drove the place into the ground systematically, and even there the fat lady has not begun to sing yet (even though you may hear her warming up...)

AvantAir will be fine if they are successful in addressing their own internal management issues. If that fails, they may go down, but it will have absolutely nothing to do with having a Union representing the pilots or not. There is just no correlation between those two things no matter how much Union haters want there to be.

 

[gunfyter]

It doesn't even make sense...

If I were a passenger I'd want the union pilots who can't be pressured into flying when they shouldn't be ... because they are afraid to get fired if refuse

 

[Praetorian]

It doesn't even make sense...

If I were a passenger I'd want the union pilots who can't be pressured into flying when they shouldn't be ... because they are afraid to get fired if refuse

Like the non-union Flex crew who ran one off the end on 5000ft long CGF yesterday, in the middle of a snow/sleet/ice/rain storm... I wonder why they even attempted to land there, with CLE right next door? Humm??

Your right on. I've said for years, I will never put my family in the back of a non-union airline.

 

[gret]

Shouldn't have to worry about the non union airlines...isn't Jet Blue about the only one?

Safest (of 60 ranked airlines)
1) Finnair
2) Air New Zealand
3) Cathay Pacific
4) Emirates
5) Etihad Airways
6) EVA Air
7) Tap Portugal
8 ) Hainan Airlines
9) Virgin Australia
10) British Airways

Notable North American Rankings
#14 JetBlue
#21 Southwest
#25 Air Canada
#28 Delta
#31 United
#42 American
#44 US Airways
#45 Alaska Airlines

http://www.jacdec.de/jacdec_safety_ranking_2012.htm

 

[CA1900]

Shouldn't have to worry about the non union airlines...isn't Jet Blue about the only one?

Don't forget Skywest and Virgin America.

 

[gunfyter]

Like the non-union Flex crew who ran one off the end on 5000ft long CGF yesterday, in the middle of a snow/sleet/ice/rain storm... I wonder why they even attempted to land there, with CLE right next door? Humm??

Your right on. I've said for years, I will never put my family in the back of a non-union airline.

Well contaminated runway is my biggest concern in this business ... considering the airports and quality of reporting we get some places.

Gimme a turboprop anyday for contaminated fields

 

[jonjuan]

Well contaminated runway is my biggest concern in this business ... considering the airports and quality of reporting we get some places.

Gimme a turboprop anyday for contaminated fields

Here you go....

http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=150486

 

[gunfyter]

Here you go....

http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=150486

Yes I knew about that ... It is said ...That plane doesn't handle like other turboprops....

OK Gimme a King Air then ...

 

[Praetorian]

Shouldn't have to worry about the non union airlines...isn't Jet Blue about the only one?

Safest (of 60 ranked airlines)
1) Finnair
2) Air New Zealand
3) Cathay Pacific
4) Emirates
5) Etihad Airways
6) EVA Air
7) Tap Portugal
8 ) Hainan Airlines
9) Virgin Australia
10) British Airways

Notable North American Rankings
#14 JetBlue
#21 Southwest
#25 Air Canada
#28 Delta
#31 United
#42 American
#44 US Airways
#45 Alaska Airlines

http://www.jacdec.de/jacdec_safety_ranking_2012.htm

Wow, you were right on top of that, with statistics and everything.

It's almost like you do this for a living.

 

[gret]

Just presenting facts and trying to learn English.

Keep off those non union airlines!

 

[Praetorian]

Now their outsourcing the union-busting to India? Jeesh.

 

[Skimatic]

Avantair's CFO just resigned.

 

[G4dude]

Yes, for years, many predicted FLOPS would not survive because of the Union too. This expectation turned out to be complete and utter nonsense. Similarly, CA's current situation has nothing to do with having voted in a Union and everything to do with incompetent management that drove the place into the ground systematically, and even there the fat lady has not begun to sing yet (even though you may hear her warming up...)

AvantAir will be fine if they are successful in addressing their own internal management issues. If that fails, they may go down, but it will have absolutely nothing to do with having a Union representing the pilots or not. There is just no correlation between those two things no matter how much Union haters want there to be.

My understanding of the predictions of FLOPS' demise have always been because of their tenuous financial position, Have they been union long?

 

[G4dude]

Avantair's CFO just resigned.

Sounds grim for the newly union pilots at Avantair. Bummer. I have experienced job loss entirely too often. I always thought Avantair was a pretty good operation, looking at it from the outside, talking with the pilots on the ramp.

 

[crewfoodmonkey]

Did she resign voluntarily? Or was she forced out?

 

[ProFracPilot]

My understanding of the predictions of FLOPS' demise have always been because of their tenuous financial position, Have they been union long?

FlOps is entering their 4th year with a contract. The successful union vote (thanks to the Sheeringa shenanigans) took place in 2006, I believe.

 

[OHGOON]

My understanding of the predictions of FLOPS' demise have always been because of their tenuous financial position, Have they been union long?

Of course it was about their tenuous financial position until it wasn't... Point is you don't know anymore than anyone else did or does about when or why a company may close its doors.

What sick pleasure do you get making these kinds of pointless predictions such as AvantAir is going to go out of business soon because they voted in a Union? You obviously don't have any facts except your ideological predispositions on the subject. It's not helping anyone directly affected.

 

[crewfoodmonkey]

Unfortunately I think the company is so far gone at this point, a pilot union is irrelevant. Management (or rather Mismanagement) has ruined a once promising company, and it's too bad because a lot of good people work there and will soon be looking for work in one of the worst economies in our lifetime. One quick glance at their financial filings will tell you they are not long for this world.

 

[brokeflyer]

that sucks. if management wasnt so greedy and filling their pockets maybe it coulda worked.

same story, different carrier.