Attrition Rates

[EWRJ0225]

I wonder at what point is it more affordable to pay better than to keep training people and losing them?

Havent you ever heard of the Airline Management Band-aid Theory. Yeah if you cut your leg off with a chainsaw, just put some bandaids on it, the box says it will stop bleeding and protect from infection. Wait till you nearly bleed to death, then go "oh Sh%&" I better go to the hospital, then you barely make it through emergency surgery and you loose your leg forever. Point is they dont try to foresee any problems, they just react accordingly after its too late just in hopes of saving pennies that add up on the bottom line! When the efforts to save pennies ended up costing you way more than that. ITs a million dollar bridge to pick up a quarter, better yet, a food stamp. I think jr. high business class students could run any airline better than the boneheads in charge, whose hardest part of their week is when they count their stock options on the way to the board meetings on wednesdays at 2 PM, its simple macro business and economics when you take the CEOs and Shareholders greediness out of the picture!

 

[WSurf]

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Pay is better, benefits are better, QoL is better, and you get a paper hat and name tag!

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[John Pennekamp]

i have consistantly been moving up 30+ numbers a month for a long time. I have no idea who leaves from behind me though. Been here just over 2 years upgrade begins next month and i have over 1200 people behind me FWIW. XJT

They update your seniority list monthly? Most only update twice a year.

 

[Smarta$$]

The attrition would be different from airline to airline and it is not. Comair and ExpressJet are two of the better paid regionals out there and what I've heard from their pilots is about 30 a month. That seems to be the attrition across the board for all regionals independent of pay and qol.
There are jobs available, that is why people are leaving and managements at the regional level are not interested in anybody to stay because when hiring slows down at the majors they will end up with a low seniority (Lower pay) pilot group.

Do your time and move on folks

We lose 30 at pinnacle with 1200 pilots. So if XJT loses 30 a month with 2400 pilots, then pay does make a difference.

 

[SEVEN]

10-15/month at Mesaba

 

[CFIse]

I wonder at what point is it more affordable to pay better than to keep training people and losing them?

Almost never - remember the regional management is being squeezed hard by their customers, the legacies, to provide lift as cheap as possible. While training new hires is expensive, they're not exactly over-paid either. A regional that tries to build a long term stable career path eventully runs into a expense issue that kills them - see Comair.

Nobody should be looking at a regional airline as a career, the primary reasons for which is your management doesn't want you there as a career pilot, so if that's your goal already you're at odds with the people who control much of your work environment.

Plus - working at many other places is better - a regional will NEVER be able to provide the kind of working conditions and pay that you can get at a legacy or even an LCC. You can't retain people, or at least you can only retain those verging on the insane, so kiss them goodbye and ramp up the hiring machine.

The current short term crisis is that with stagnation in the industry for so long the pipeline of freight and "academy" pilots to fill those right seats is a little short - but trust me, it'll pick right up in the next 6 months and the supply of 250 hour wonders will be just fine. Until age 65 kicks in and we all have to sit in the seat we're in for 5 years until that works itself out.

 

[ReverseSensing]

Totals are fine, but percentages would be more helpful:

QX, about .5% - 1% per month. (4-8/mo. out of 770-ish pilots)

From above:

XJT, about 1.25%/mo.
9E, about 2.5%/mo.

Anyone else?

 

[F16fixer]

They update your seniority list monthly? Most only update twice a year.

At PNCL your updated every month. I guess because it changes so much they have too.

 

[flypixs]

PDT lost 47 so far, which come up to 11% of all active pilots

 

[Superpilot92]

They update your seniority list monthly? Most only update twice a year.

They update the seniority list every time a perm bid closes. Which lately that has been almost monthly. But thats not where i get that information about attrition. Every month when we do our schedule bid it shows our base seniority and overall seniority. Which for the most part shows a pretty close estimate of attrition. Last month i went up 29 people.:beer:

 

[John Pennekamp]

They update the seniority list every time a perm bid closes. Which lately that has been almost monthly. But thats not where i get that information about attrition. Every month when we do our schedule bid it shows our base seniority and overall seniority. Which for the most part shows a pretty close estimate of attrition. Last month i went up 29 people.:beer:

I get it. Our seniority number only changes twice a year, and on our monthly bid, you can only see how many numbers you moved up on your seat and aircraft, not company wide.

 

[GearUpLightsIn]

Up to 111 this morning.

Over how long of a time period?

 

[John Pennekamp]

Over how long of a time period?

Since Jan 1st.

 

[av8er2]

A lot are getting out of the airline industry. No future!

 

[flypixs]

I think it's time to leave this industry and start raising Alpacas.