ATTENTION Furloughe ALPA Members

[6Pak]

Why do I get the feeling that ALPA National already has a side or an opinion on the Age 60 subject and that they are doing this 'Survey' just to give pilots a warm and fuzzy???
As always, follow the trail of money to find the true politics behind all the Age 60 rhetoric. The real question is...If the airline industry wasn't in such financial shambles would we even be having this discussion?

Tail...You are right on the money...We need some kind of independent accounting firm to tabulate this survey. ALPA is takin us on a ride. I'd like to see the survey taken by someone else.

 

[tailhookah]

no surprise

did anyone really think that alpa gives a sh1t about furloughed pilots????? when you call your mec they will give you the "we care" sob story because it's job protection for them. alpa is a broken bureaucracy and only cares about the senior members. it's staffed by it's senior members. there are not any "new guys" elected to mec positions for this reason. we are all pawns and if you think it's any different you've been hitting the hookah too much. if alpa cared soo much then nwa would've not taken the raises and not have waited until the company was really hurting to agree to concessions.... i'm sure it's been the same at the other majors.... i hope alpa falls apart. if and when most of us get back i hope we take control and kick that piece o sh1t organization to the street....maybe then duane whoreless will have to take a pay cut.....wouldn't that be great.

 

[737 Pylt]

did anyone really think that alpa gives a sh1t about furloughed pilots????? when you call your mec they will give you the "we care" sob story because it's job protection for them. alpa is a broken bureaucracy and only cares about the senior members. it's staffed by it's senior members. there are not any "new guys" elected to mec positions for this reason. we are all pawns and if you think it's any different you've been hitting the hookah too much. if alpa cared soo much then nwa would've not taken the raises and not have waited until the company was really hurting to agree to concessions.... i'm sure it's been the same at the other majors.... i hope alpa falls apart. if and when most of us get back i hope we take control and kick that piece o sh1t organization to the street....maybe then duane whoreless will have to take a pay cut.....wouldn't that be great.

You hit the nail on the head!
This is truly an embarressment and I for one am ashamed about ALPA's policy on this one! Wake up you morons at National in VA, this is only a poll not a vote!
737

 

[ivauir]

I hear a lot of crying about the unfairness of it from the 55+ crowd. But none of them supports right of return for folks already forced out.

I admit this law is stupid and unfair; I propose we change it to "as long as you are medically qualified" but only for everyone turning 23 this year. Or even anyone who has never had a part 121 job.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

How many of you have read the In Focus Age 60 information that ALPA has sent out. If you haven't read it and you want to get EDUKAYTED by all means do so. Of course you might think this is spin, so use it as an initial to do you own research.

If I step back and objectively look at why the Knucks are being asked, I'd would guess it is becuase they can fly past age 60 (yes/no?) and why not ask a group that is all ready operating in that realm? Or is it all just a big conspiracy theory combined with ALPA national super senior hidden agenda blah blah blah.....

The message boards and crewrooms are not fact sources. Get educated fellas....

If the airline industry wasn't in such financial shambles would we even be having this discussion?

But the airline idustry IS in shambles. Got to deal with reality.

I'm not for either position on Age60, but no one here is offering solutions. Just rhetoric with a little vitrol......

Or is the solution to leave it be. OK, but Age60 was opposed by ALPA until the Leagacy MECs carved out their DB around Age60. And now, the MEC's have painfully given DBs back. So what is a pilot to do when he hits 60 and has to wait until SS and medicade. It is a valid concern....

Anyone?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I spoke to my MEC duty officer .

FedEx?

 

[michael707767]

FedEx?

No. Why?

 

[spanky2]

ALPA SHMALPA ... ALPA is the Borg ... all will be assimilated ... resistance is futile.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

No. Why?

FX has lots of military and they use duty officer terms. The same at your place?

 

[michael707767]

FX has lots of military and they use duty officer terms. The same at your place?

Delta. Yes, I am ex military. Yes, a lot of former military here.

 

[CRJDog]

I think there should be a national vote among all ALPA members to abolish ALPA. We pay them so they can collect our dues and sit on their fat posteriors while our way of life goes to hell in a hand basket.

Or..

Every Dues paying ALPA member wether it be regional, national or legacy walk off the job and say "Enough is enough." That will get someones attention.

 

[mdanno808]

The bottom line is ALPA eats it's young. It always has, and it always will. Don't you think it's funny that DW and the other ALPA bigwigs were against upping the age 60 rule until a huge ammount of senior, dues paying members were facing a retirement without a pension? Look at the senior UAL guys. Making 300+ dollars an hour a few years ago with an A and a B fund worth a hell of a lot of money. Unfortunately, now, unless they saved and planned for the worst, they are in deep trouble. I am a furloughed ALPA pilot, and I think it is total BS we can't vote, but it most certainly doesn't surprise me.

 

[AlbieF15]

For what its worth....

I am an ALPA member, I am against age 60, I didn't like our "official" support of many candidates for office, and I also think Duane's salary is a bit offensive based on the suffering of a lot of airline guys out there right now.

So why am I wearing my pin every day?

Well...I can't fix an organization from the outside. I cannot throw rocks at others and drive them to my way of thinking. Conversely, working with others in the organization (professionally and with the spirit of mutual respect) perhaps I can make a difference. Spewing venom with an anonymous screen name certainly won't do anything.

Let's not forget some of the good work our union does do. We have a resource for safety issues, legal issues, health issues, as well as a network which allows us to examine what other carriers are doing well (and not so well) in a variety of issues. Anyway who has ever had to ask for help from an ALPA lawyer for an FAA issue or queried a medical expert while trying to regain a medical after some health issues will tell you their dues were well spent. I hope not to need those services, but I'm darn glad they are there.

Additionally, at our MEC there are several great insurance benefits that are only availalbe to members. Personally, I just consider my dues as part of the premiums. It is nice to be part of an organization, albeit imperfect, that put's the interests of pilots ahead of the interests of shareholders or the company, and it is a source of great insight and information when you find your goals and the company goals might be in conflict.

It is also nice to have a tie to the guys at Delta, Continental, and a host of other ALPA carriers. I don't begrudge the SWA, AA, or UPS guys for having their own union, nor do I think JB guys should join us--at least as long as management continues to prove the have the integrity to back up their promises. You guys all need to do what is best for your own pilot group. I don't always like our union positions on certain issues, and there are always people within an organization who might rub you the wrong way. However, I cannot imagine any of us going man v man with a company the size of Delta, American, FedEx, or whowever without some kind of organized support. We (collectively...I wasn't here then) ran ALPA off our property once, then decided that darn it...maybe we could use some help after all. So...like family, I have always recommend criticize in private and praise in public. What does that mean for me?

1. My union speaks for me.
2. One more day of retro pay.

 

[klhoard]

Albie,

You forgot about the "member only" credit card offers!!!
.
.
.
.

 

[seefive]

if you didn't save for your retirement, you're an idiot!! now you want to screw over the younger guys. age 60 has been in place for a long time and now that some didn't plan properly, they want to change the rules. i'm sure you believe that your flying skills/cognitive ability haven't slowed but you're wrong.