Attention Former Jetblue Pilots

[Bavarian Chef]

Gee, you are all over the place, Chef...

First you describe the loophole as a binding contract between two parties, one of which...well, you know the rest. You wrote it.

Then you say that you don't agree with what you wrote.

Sorry...I guess I don't get your point.

Whatever you say. Good luck in the Left Seat.

 

[Dogwood]

It is not greed. It is lost wages. Lost wages due to inflation. Lost wages for no pay raises from 2001-2007 and minor ones after that. A retro pay raise of 26% would correct for the 22-24% inflation and then give us enough for another year. It is not greed, it is what we were promised from the beginning (but they failed to deliver)

Just my opinion.......

FNG

FNG,

You've just shown you true colors. This is about getting back at the company.

Question...

Do you honestly feel that raising the pay of everyone just because the new hire pay was raised, was the true intent of this language?

Honest answer, now. Don't answer just based on what the wording appears to say.

Naturally the answer is no.

This was not the intent of the company, nor was it your understanding at the time you signed the agreement.

The company owes you nothing, and in arbitration will be ruled accordingly.

 

[PsubS]

Do you honestly feel that raising the pay of everyone just because the new hire pay was raised, was the true intent of this language?

Dogwood, I've asked that very same question and cannot get a straight answer. It seems that the "I'm getting mine because the company has screwed me in the past" attitude is prevalent.

To be completely fair, some pilots strongly believe that this is just a legitimate contract dispute, which is-at it's basest form-correct. Certainly the issue is about contract wording.

Press on with the mediation/arbitration. That's your right guys.

Just don't expect me to sit back and support your chest thumping in cyberspace.

 

[PsubS]

Whatever you say. Good luck in the Left Seat.

Thank you. I earned it by way of my reported old age and aforementioned greatly admired testicles.

 

[shadesofBS]

FNG,

You've just shown you true colors. This is about getting back at the company.

Question...

Do you honestly feel that raising the pay of everyone just because the new hire pay was raised, was the true intent of this language?

Honest answer, now. Don't answer just based on what the wording appears to say.

Naturally the answer is no.

This was not the intent of the company, nor was it your understanding at the time you signed the agreement.

The company owes you nothing, and in arbitration will be ruled accordingly.

I don't know how the company interprets 3A but I ABSOLUTELY view the intent of 3A as protection from the following scenario:

Being sold during your interview on a set of assumptions about pay and benefits then finding (after you've invested several years of service) that they would rather invest elsewhere.

We TOLD them those 190 rates were too low to begin with but it was just too much of a temptation for Jetblue to say, "we need to let the airplane prove itself" and then spend the next three years "fixing" those pay rates while they neglected the rest of us - which I firmly believe was their intention all along.

I feel absolutely justified in pursuing recovery in this case because Jetblue said one thing and did another. It appears that my contract has protection from what I viewed as a con job the day those 190s were announced.

We fixed 190 pay. Now lets go back and fix the gap they thought they could pocket for more bonuses, Park Avenue apartments, and stupid toys.

We may not be able to get back the health insurance they promised but we can sure as hell try to back a little of the "prosperity" they talked about in those hyped up interviews.

My interpretation (and I'm one half of the contract equation) is that 3A was meant to protect me from pay stagnation. What if Jetblue decided one day that it didn't want so many 12+ year pilots around anymore and some newer, cheaper blood was in order? Hey, let's freeze the pay at the top of the scale and do what we need to, to get people in the door......which is essentially what happened.

My interpretation is LLBLs interpretation and it is perfectly reasonable.

Greed my ass. You bunch of smurfs. Go have a BoB party.

 

[PsubS]

Shade, I feel your pain. The company said a lot of things that did not come true. But your justification simply sounds as if you are attempting to "get back" at the company, to borrow another's words.

But I ask again....is there anyone out there who does not believe that the intent of 3a was simply to protect the new hires?

 

[Bavarian Chef]

But I ask again....is there anyone out there who does not believe that the intent of 3a was simply to protect the new hires?

Actually, I haven't given it that much thought (I'm reading it as it is written). I am not trying to interpret the intent because I couldn't care what it is/was.

But MY intent is not to punish the company, or get back at the company, or to screw the company. I just don't have that much emotional attachment to JetBlue. It's a business for God's sake. Not my soulmate.

 

[Splert]

But I ask again....is there anyone out there who does not believe that the intent of 3a was simply to protect the new hires?

Our Senior VP of Being a Brother from a Different Mother disagrees with you.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Our Senior VP of Being a Brother from a Different Mother disagrees with you.

Hey, you're right. I forgot that email.

 

[shadesofBS]

Shade, I feel your pain. The company said a lot of things that did not come true. But your justification simply sounds as if you are attempting to "get back" at the company, to borrow another's words.

But I ask again....is there anyone out there who does not believe that the intent of 3a was simply to protect the new hires?

I truly believe that 3a was meant to protect all of us, not just the new hires.

 

[PsubS]

Spert, you are right!

A FlightInfo first....I was wrong about the intent...and I admit it under my own free will...

 

[J32driver]

You 3A'ers are on crack.

Ask yourself what "Base Salary" means. It doesn't mean... 1 specific longevity for 1 specific seat. It means a "pay table" encompassing all seats and all longevity. You and the new hire were both offered an amended PEA with identical pay tables.... or base salary. There is no way an arbitrator/mediator is going to agree 3A was violated and award you guys the $60,000 you think you have coming!

This is about revenge. Revenge for being told, no we aren't going to keep the trigger at 70 hours. So the BOB decided to try and force the pay raises for bus captains from a different angle. 3A.

This whole thing is comical to watch. A BOB started this and got a handful of the most militant Union types to bite and build some momentum. Now the BOB's want to blame the union folks. When the reality is the vast majority of the pro-Union types realize this whole thing is bogus!

 

[Bavarian Chef]

It doesn't mean... 1 specific longevity for 1 specific seat. It means a "pay table" encompassing all seats and all longevity. You and the new hire were both offered an amended PEA with identical pay tables.... or base salary.

Please email this to the attorney so they can drop the whole shebang.

 

[bluesideup340]

Keep in mind what Theodore Roosevelt had to say about lawyers.

"A man who never graduated from school might steal from a freight car. But a man who attends college and graduates as a lawyer might steal the whole railroad."
http://www.quoteland.com/tellafriend/index.asp?QUOTE_ID=4824

 

[J32driver]

Please email this to the attorney so they can drop the whole shebang.

Better yet, why don't YOU copy it, email it to your attorney and see what his response is!