ATR displacement...

[CFI2766]

From what I saw of some of the senior ATR guys over the years, the company would be better off putting those guys in the right seat and paying CN bypass pay to everyone else! ;-)

There's a coupla guys that won't do well with the automation.

However, there's only one seniorish guy that I know of that will have problems with the transition, and he prolly shouldn't be flying anyways.

 

[OCP]

There's a coupla guys that won't do well with the automation.

However, there's only one seniorish guy that I know of that will have problems with the transition, and he prolly shouldn't be flying anyways.

Speaking like someone who sounds like they are current ATR and not Jet. Watching some of these lifer ATR guys come over is scary!

 

[rightseatjocky]

Atr Displacement Is No More!!!!
:uzi:
OH YA, MESA SUCKS!!!

 

[SilverandSore]

Atr Displacement Is No More!!!!
:uzi:
OH YA, MESA SUCKS!!!

I didn't get that email. Deets...

 

[rightseatjocky]

Just came out from BM.

08-14 Position Notice Withdrawal.pdf (14 KB)

Memo​

DATE:​

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July 21, 2008​

TO:​

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#08-14 AT7 Displacement Bid​

FROM:​

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BRIAN MORRIS, MANAGER - FLIGHT ADMINISTRATION​

RE:​

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IMPORTANT NOTICE:​

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Position Notice​

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#08-14 AT7 Displacement Bid (effective 03/02/09) is hereby cancelled.​

Please refer to upcoming #08-15 AT7 Displacement Bid (effective 3/2/09).
OH YA.. MESA SUCKS!!!
:uzi:

 

[coorsFlight]

Do you mean that they cancelled 08-14 and reissued 08-15?

 

[rightseatjocky]

According to some of the training department also, Delta doesn't want us to get rid of them. I hope this is true.

 

[coorsFlight]

Well Delta owns 4 of them and leases the other ten.

The leases are up and supposedly the owned ones are spoken for already...

I'm going to miss em!

 

[filejw]

Foolish to get rid of them with the price of fuel. Can't believe there isn't a very good place for them on the new DAL/NWA network.

 

[shelton]

I'm ready to see them go. Flew them for too long. Too hot in the summer and the mx cost combined with the on time delays/cx more than eat up the savings in fuel.

 

[Flybywire44]

Just came out from BM.

08-14 Position Notice Withdrawal.pdf (14 KB)

Memo​

DATE:​

July 21, 2008​

TO:​

#08-14 AT7 Displacement Bid​

FROM:​

BRIAN MORRIS, MANAGER - FLIGHT ADMINISTRATION​

RE:​

IMPORTANT NOTICE:​

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------​

Position Notice​

#08-14 AT7 Displacement Bid (effective 03/02/09) is hereby cancelled.​

Please refer to upcoming #08-15 AT7 Displacement Bid (effective 3/2/09).
OH YA.. MESA SUCKS!!!
:uzi:

Read the full test question rightseatjocky.

The new displacement is in effect... "#08-15 AT7 effective 3/2/09" means that those current ATR pilots listed on that displacement award will be on the line flying the 200 or 700 by 3/2/09.

It would be nice if the ATRs stayed though.

 

[rightseatjocky]

Woohoo..
Trying to give optomism. I don't think they will go away then also. They have been saying this for a while. I bet you see another halt on this.
Oh ya, Mesa sucks!!!
:uzi:

 

[asa rat]

You haven't been he long have you?

It can and probably will.

Umm, been here long enough to spell ALPA

 

[centralpilot]

No. If there are only x number of 200 cpt postions and 20 ATR cpts are senior to the 20 most jr 200 cpts the company MAY displace them, the junior 20, back to the right seat if they cannot hold 700 cpt.

We're saying the same thing, I just used poor word choice again. I was referring to the most junior captains when I referred to recent upgrades . I failed to consider that many do not upgrade at their earliest opportunity. The point is that senior ATR captains won't be displaced to the right seat just because there are no captain vacancies listed on the jet.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Umm, been here long enough to spell ALPA

Don't worry the elves at ASA are just mad they've been here so long that they can't leave. There's no shame in being new.

 

[Texx]

Don't worry the elves at ASA are just mad they've been here so long that they can't leave. There's no shame in being new.

Ahhh. Let's see. 6 figures, 4 day weekends and a month and a half off for vacation. Why would someone with this have left to begin over. It's a balance of quality of life and pay. And why would we be mad?

You correct also that "there's no shame in being new". It will just take you a very long time to move up the list with us "elves" still here and the industry in the current state.

 

[e120flier]

Ahhh. Let's see. 6 figures, 4 day weekends and a month and a half off for vacation. Why would someone with this have left to begin over. It's a balance of quality of life and pay. And why would we be mad?

You correct also that "there's no shame in being new". It will just take you a very long time to move up the list with us "elves" still here and the industry in the current state.

With that kind of time off you should have no problem learning the FMS then. In the words of Dr. Phil "So how's that workin for ya?"

 

[Texx]

With that kind of time off you should have no problem learning the FMS then. In the words of Dr. Phil "So how's that workin for ya?"

If you only knew. hahahaha

 

[777forever]

the mx cost combined with the on time delays/cx more than eat up the savings in fuel.

This is what Brad said in one of his memos. Guess the cost of completely refurbishing them would be too much as well do to their age.

 

[CFI2766]

This is what Brad said in one of his memos. Guess the cost of completely refurbishing them would be too much as well do to their age.

There is something not quite right with this decision. Sure, the current crop of ATRs is not known for dispatch reliability, but I would imagine they are still cheaper to operate than either of the jets at the fleet.

In this industry, as it exists now between the 'majors' and the 'regionals', I think that the priority is for completion factor and A-14. If ASA, and others, were responsible for the entire costs of the fleet that they were operating, I think they would all be operating turboprops, and finding a way to make them work reliably.