ATP's or Norman, OK>?

[88_MALIBU]

If you were going to get your CFII and MEI would you go to ATPs or Norman, OK?

I am trying to decide which. I need a break from this -18 degree weather up here we are having and want to go somewhere sunny. I'm thinking of ATP at a FL location. Any suggestions?

 

[350DRIVER]

This would be a no-brainer if it were me, go to Airman. A much better set-up, program, and you can get done between 2-3 weeks. The Airman folks have this I/II program down to a science. Do yourself a favor and conduct a board search for those who have attended Airman KOUN. I had nothing but pleasant experiences during my time in Norman with the folks who run and that are involved with this program. I was not overly impressed with ATP's program when I had looked into it.

good luck,

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late edit, the II/MEI would be done under part 61 and since you already have the CFI they should be able to get you in and out in about a week or less.

 

[88_MALIBU]

Awesome! Thanks 350!

 

[350DRIVER]

You are more than welcome, if you have any specific questions then feel free to pm me and I will do my best to answer them.


good luck,

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[millhouse21]

I'll second Airman. I had a great experience there.

 

[JonJohn82]

Plus you can eat at Ozzies on the field.

 

[Detroitpilot]

My vote would be for Airman also. I did my CFI/CFII there in '00. They know the curriculum and know the system. Plus it's guaranteed training, i.e. the same flat rate. The area is decent, plenty of options for food and discount hotel rates. You won't get a tan this time of year, but that's not what you'll be there for anyway. Plus you're in Norman, the home of the Sooners!!! Ozzie's is the place to eat too. Cheap lunch specials. Just my .02. Feel free to PM me if you have any more ?'s.

 

[Tug Driver]

Airman is great. Don't forget about Taco Cabana!!!

 

[GIVDrvr]

Shebles? anyone?

 

[minitour]

Airman is great. Don't forget about Taco Cabana!!!

Too many places to eat here...I've put on 10 pounds since getting in...it sucks!!!

The school's good though...they seem to get the Instructor applicants in and out rather quick...3 weeks at a max. Make sure you call ahead and get it confirmed though if you're going to be strapped for any amount of time...then don't stop harping on them.

Not sure if the duchess is back up yet or not. When I left they had taken the right prop off (something about the vibrations could break the wing off), it had no heater (took it out - wasn't working), they kept having problems with the electrical system (alternator was replaced though), and the right main gear strut was over compressed...

supposedly - mx was supposed to fix it over break and since the weather's been down for the past few days, I can't imagine why any planes would be down when we get to start flying again...

The -II guy (examiner) is a real nazi and I've heard that his -II ride is the toughest here (which makes sense since it's the initial if you do the CFI program here). The MEI ride is (again, from what I hear) a joke. Give him an OEI approach, landing, steep turn, two engine steep turn, approach, landing, maybe a chandelle, Vmc demo and you're done... The last few guys that have done it (that I've seen) were gone maybe an hour (including taxi out and in) so you get the idea.

If you've got your CFI, I'm sure you'll have no problem with the program. Anywho, if you need any information, drop me a line...be glad to help.

-mini

 

[Vik]

At Airman, do they do multi initials instructor certs normally? If not, can they if requested?

 

[minitour]

I'm sure they will, just give them a call and talk to Brenda or Shirley.

If you've got 15 hours PIC in a twin, you should be good to go. They'll get you in and out quick (assuming you're proficient and can pass the required knowledge/practical test(s) that is).

They do the -II using their 141 syllabus as the initial (18 hours ground / 15 hours flight time including the check ride).

The CFI is added on (part 61) "to proficiency" to save time. No required ground school, just you and your CFI.

The MEI is also added on (part 61) "to proficiency" to save time. The guys that go through the whole program here (like me) get 15 hours in the Duchess (oh joy!) as PIC so we're elegible. After 14 hours of right seat stuff in the duchess, you better be ready for the ride.

I'm sure someone that has say 100-200 hours of ME time (other than training) could do the ME & OEI steep turn, approach, landing and Vmc demo. Not sure if they require you to critique any maneuvers by the "student" on this ride, but I'm sure it's fair game.

Shouldn't be a big deal...where most people have trouble here is the teaching aspect. I'm always told "don't get quiet on any checkride here", meaning don't stop talking about what you're doing and why you're doing it (teach it).

So, to make a long story even longer...if you've got the 15 hours of ME time and you can do the maneuvers, teach, understand the systems, etc. they'll probably be able to get you done in 5 hours in the duchess.

Hope this helps.

-mini

*as a followup to my own confusing answer*
When I do the CMEL checkride, the examiner is technically my first passenger in a ME airplane, correct (same as the PPL ride)? So this would count towards my 15 hours of ME PIC needed for the MEI?

 

[JonJohn82]

I haven't heard 64M in forever.

 

[Vik]

Thanks for the info. I've got a friend here that wants to get his multi instructor initially, so I figured I'd inquire.

Answer to your question -- yes, your examiner will fill out your logbook and write it as PIC.

The FAA wants all pilots to be PIC on their checkride.

*as a followup to my own confusing answer*
When I do the CMEL checkride, the examiner is technically my first passenger in a ME airplane, correct (same as the PPL ride)? So this would count towards my 15 hours of ME PIC needed for the MEI?