ATP twin-off airport landing- Raleigh

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Saturday morning a ATP twin piper landed in field south of downtown Raleigh NC - no one was injured. Anyone here the cause?. News said it landed gear up but showed it sitting on gear...?

 

[pilotman2105]

That's the second incident/accident at Raleigh in the past couple of weeks. Sounds like they're having a bad stroke of luck.

 

[pilotman2105]

Nothing yet on the Raleigh or Greensboro newspapers.

Links to check

Greensboro, NC Newspaper

Raleigh, NC Newspaper

 

[Flywrite]

Heck, in the past couple of months RDU has had two off-airport landings, a fatal crash on short final and an F-18 **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** near took out a big chunk of terminal A.

 

[310]

http://www.wral.com/news/3335391/detail.html

This story even has the local yocal spin with " it sceers me seeing all these planes flyin over and falling from the sky" report.

When a tornado hits, why is fat Bertha always there with rollers in her hair saying "it sounded like a train just like they say on TV"??

 

[pilotman2105]

http://www.wral.com/news/3335391/detail.html

This story even has the local yocal spin with " it sceers me seeing all these planes flyin over and falling from the sky" report.

When a tornado hits, why is fat Bertha always there with rollers in her hair saying "it sounded like a train just like they say on TV"??

That's hyped up journalism at it's best.

Way to go WRAL.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

The question that comes to mind.

Why would a Semihole, with only two peeps on board not be able to continue flight on one engine? Prop didn't feather? Pilot forgot to feather the prop?

Granted the Seminole doesn't burn the sky up with both of them turning but the thing will fly just fine on one. Denver in 100 degree heat maybe not so well, But RDU with temps in the 80's...no problem.


Bored, inquiring minds want to know!!

 

[snoopy_1]

Kind of makes me glad I went to FlightSafety Academy, I don't think they have ever had an accident with an instructor on board.

 

[Sam Fisher]

Kind of makes me glad I went to FlightSafety Academy, I don't think they have ever had an accident with an instructor on board.

With all due respect, this has got to be one of the dumbest statements I have read on this board in a long long time....

 

[snoopy_1]

With all due respect, this has got to be one of the dumbest statements I have read on this board in a long long time....

I'll restate the statement than, FlightSafety Academy has very good instructors, and they have not ever had a fatal accident with an instructor on board.

It sounds like you have a problem with schools that provide safe training.

 

[FN FAL]

Denver in 100 degree heat maybe not so well, But RDU with temps in the 80's...no problem.

Where do you dumazzes come up with this pablum?

The last 135 ride I did with my fat ass DO and and my fat ass on board a seneca II, we could barely do 300 feet a minute with 90 gallons of avgas and our two fat asses on board.

since when did piston twins below a certain weight have to show climb performance on one engine?

 

[Vector4fun]

FN,

Perhaps it's just me, but you seem a bit cranky this (early) morning. I'm kinda curious what happened myself. I've never flown a Seminole, but I (we) did loose and engine in a ragged-out 150 hp Apache on my very first multi-engine lesson. My instructor talked me through a successful landing on a 4000' runway fifteen miles away. The mixture control cable broke in the full lean position. I was a 17 yr old Private Pilot with about 60 hrs TT (logged).

So yeah, I'm also curious why a Seminole Instructor would have to park it in a field because they lost one of two engines....

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Where do you dumazzes come up with this pablum?

The last 135 ride I did with my fat ass DO and and my fat ass on board a seneca II, we could barely do 300 feet a minute with 90 gallons of avgas and our two fat asses on board.

since when did piston twins below a certain weight have to show climb performance on one engine?

Well chuckles, You made the point for me...."300 feet a minute"

The seminole will fly on one with full tanks and only two people on board.

 

[IP076]

Well chuckles, You made the point for me...."300 feet a minute"

The seminole will fly on one with full tanks and only two people on board.

Man, 300'/min is a good day in a light twin!! You should probably qualify that last statement. I'll bet a 1000 dollars you wouldn't make it around the pattern if one quit on you at 400' on upwind taking off from a 5045' field where the temperature is over 35 C. (Every day for about 3 months where I instructed in the PA-44) Granted, ours were brand new ones, which seemed to be on the heavy side, 2650 or so BEW.

 

[Timebuilder]

300 fpm is great. Must be the turbo on the Seneca 2 engines.

I'd get less than that with a student in a Seneca 1.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see why a twin had to land in a field.

 

[Sam Fisher]

I'll restate the statement than, FlightSafety Academy has very good instructors, and they have not ever had a fatal accident with an instructor on board.

It sounds like you have a problem with schools that provide safe training.

I have never worked for either ATP or FSI. However, I did my commercial-multi at ATP RDU. The training was excellent. To even make such a silly blanket statement about one group's instructors versus another's is irresponsible at best and blasphemy at worst. We have some FSI guys at my airline and one or two are certainly not the sharpest in the shed - same goes for our ATP guys.

Remember....people who throw stones from glass houses....

Sam

PS - Certainly no problem with safe training. I think generally speaking, both schools provide just that.

 

[Pilot124]

I did all my multi-training in a Seminole. It will maintain altitude with just one engine at 35 degrees C even climb in hot weather. Although we don't yet know the situation of the landing. Did they just take off? What was the temp that day? Did they even have time to feather? If they were only a couple hunderd feet off the ground on the departure leg I would of landed in a field too. Lots of people get killed trying to turn around and make it back to the airport. They walked away so props (no pun intended) to them.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Man, 300'/min is a good day in a light twin!! You should probably qualify that last statement. I'll bet a 1000 dollars you wouldn't make it around the pattern if one quit on you at 400' on upwind taking off from a 5045' field where the temperature is over 35 C. (Every day for about 3 months where I instructed in the PA-44) Granted, ours were brand new ones, which seemed to be on the heavy side, 2650 or so BEW.

Like I said above, Denver would be a problem, but RDU is low country and according to the report they had altitude when the problem started. So it is kind of curious why a twin couldn't make it back to the airport. Back in the freight doggie days I had several take a dump on me with no problems. The only one that was in question happened at 300 feet but it did manage to stagger around the pattern. Wasn't pretty but it got the job done. It did produce a skid mark or two in the shorts as I think that at least 200 lbs of the planes weight was being held up by pucker factor alone!!

 

[Flying Illini]

I'll restate the statement than, FlightSafety Academy has very good instructors, and they have not ever had a fatal accident with an instructor on board.

It sounds like you have a problem with schools that provide safe training.

This wasn't a fatal accident either so I guess ATP has some pretty good instructors also. When the circumstances that caused the off-airport landing come out, then we can judge whether or not the instructor made the right decision, but until then, he should be recieving praise for setting the airplane down with no injuries or property damage on the ground and minimal aircraft damage.

btw~I have no affiliation with ATP and I have never taken any of their classes.

 

[learflyer]

I'll restate the statement than, FlightSafety Academy has very good instructors, and they have not ever had a fatal accident with an instructor on board.

It sounds like you have a problem with schools that provide safe training.

Knock on wood, junior