ATN ALPA Letter from SWA

[SWA/FO]

No, you got me....sorry. I was just pointing out - that the Midway guys felt good, when they saw that letter, too. Of course, Guadalupe Holdings has to honor your contract.

Guadalupe Holdings will abide by your contract since you will be working for them.

Over at Southwest Airlines the SWAPA contract is in force, and will be. Its Twenty-four months... not the 18 you all spout off about . 24 months which may be extended by mutual agreement between SWA and SWAPA. :0 Since you guys can't really see any really raises....out of this deal, whats the big deal?

imp:

 

[Lear70]

The Guadalupe issue is a zebra, no one here is worried about it. Southwest is purchasing AirTran and MV's letter SPECIFICALLY STATES Southwest is a "successor" as defined in Section 1 and will adhere to our CBA. Here's the specifics:

Southwest Airlines will be a "successor" as defined in the Agreement between AirTran and ALPA. As such, Southwest agrees that during the period of separate Pilot operations following close, it will adhere to and apply the provisions of the AirTran/ALPA Agreement

Our guys on our forum have been talking and have NO issue with 24 months at all (general line pilots), we just want to make sure that integration DOES happen (it's NOT extendable unless we allow it too) and that the rest of our Section 1 gets adhered to (not splitting us up and selling us piecemeal, taking aircraft, furloughs and displacements, etc, etc) which is why we wanted the letter, which we got.

They'll merge the groups. No worries. But we have a long ways to go before we get there, so might as well sit back, relax, and enjoy the ride, however bumpy it may get along the way.

 

[iluvflying]

No, you got me....sorry. I was just pointing out - that the Midway guys felt good, when they saw that letter, too. Of course, Guadalupe Holdings has to honor your contract.

Guadalupe Holdings will abide by your contract since you will be working for them.

Over at Southwest Airlines the SWAPA contract is in force, and will be. Its Twenty-four months... not the 18 you all spout off about . 24 months which may be extended by mutual agreement between SWA and SWAPA. :0 Since you guys can't really see any really raises....out of this deal, whats the big deal?

imp:

Since you are obiviously the guy that Gary Kelly comes to for business advice and decision making you know what is going to happen during the transaction. So WHY DO YOU CARE what the Air Tran guys are thinking or believing? Oh wait let me answer for you. BECAUSE you have no clue just like most of all the other pilots at Southwest and AirTran. Maybe you should admit that to yourself and we will all be better off.

 

[boeing717]

The Guadalupe issue is a zebra, no one here is worried about it. Southwest is purchasing AirTran and MV's letter SPECIFICALLY STATES Southwest is a "successor" as defined in Section 1 and will adhere to our CBA. Here's the specifics:



Our guys on our forum have been talking and have NO issue with 24 months at all (general line pilots), we just want to make sure that integration DOES happen (it's NOT extendable unless we allow it too) and that the rest of our Section 1 gets adhered to (not splitting us up and selling us piecemeal, taking aircraft, furloughs and displacements, etc, etc) which is why we wanted the letter, which we got.

They'll merge the groups. No worries. But we have a long ways to go before we get there, so might as well sit back, relax, and enjoy the ride, however bumpy it may get along the way.

I hope what you write makes you feel better, because you are probably the only one that feels better. You tell everybody to keep quiet and you are the first one to open your mouth. Try practicing what you preach.

 

[Ty Webb]

Hey, "boeing717"-

You're not a Pilot, and you obviously don't understand our issues, so why do you feel this overwhelming need to come here and comment on things you don't even understand? There are other forums for non-Pilots . . . . . use them.

The door is closing . . . . please step off of the aircraft. Buh-bye. :laugh:

 

[boeing717]

Hey, "boeing717"-

You're not a Pilot, and you obviously don't understand our issues, so why do you feel this overwhelming need to come here and comment on things you don't even understand? There are other forums for non-Pilots . . . . . use them.

The door is closing . . . . please step off of the aircraft. Buh-bye. :laugh:

OK. I am sorry. I thought this was open to anybody. I should have know better. Who can I talk to and get permission to be here? Can you give me permission?

I do have a private pilot license, would that help me?

Thanks

 

[Roomwithaview]

Ty

You're not a Pilot, and you obviously don't understand our issues, so why do you feel this overwhelming need to come here and comment on things you don't even understand? There are other forums for non-Pilots . . . . . use them.

I guess for the same reason posters like Gen Lee and OYS do it.

:nuts:

 

[Lear70]

I hope what you write makes you feel better, because you are probably the only one that feels better.

Nah, there's a BUNCH of people that took a collective sigh of relief when that letter was signed and the Process Agreement was T.A.'d. If you were an AirTran pilot, you'd understand that, having been privy to our internal message board, the hostility that was brewing after SL8 was signed and it looked like it was deliberately crafted to not only put us at a disadvantage but also violated our CBA in several sections. It was getting ugly on our side of the fence... fear has a tendency to make people hostile.

The MV letter and the Process Agreement resolved a LOT of that tension... but you'd have to be a pilot to understand it.

You tell everybody to keep quiet and you are the first one to open your mouth. Try practicing what you preach.

I'm not telling people to shut up completely, I'm asking people to stop ANTAGONIZING each other by posting things that deliberately provoke the other side. We're all going to continue discussing things, which is a HEALTHY thing (one of the threads had been swimming peacefully for several days of responses which was nice). No harm in that. :beer:

If one of my PEERS would like to tell me that I'm posting things that are hostile and openly provocative, they all have my email address or can PM me here and tell me to Shut It.

 

[roughneck]

Nah, there's a BUNCH of people that took a collective sigh of relief when that letter was signed and the Process Agreement was T.A.'d.

I have yet to see a signed Process Agreement. I wouldn't sigh yet.

 

[Lear70]

I was more worried about the MV letter. The Process Agreement helps, but the letter agreeing that Southwest was a successor as defined in our Section 1 takes care of most of my concerns moving forward.

I also see no reason for SWA management nor AAI management NOT to sign the Process Agreement (and SWAPA and AAI ALPA already did). It doesn't contain anything that would bind either management team to do what they haven't already committed to do anyway...

Then again, I'm a "cup half-full" kind of guy.