ATL Delays, Delays, Delays.....

[ohplease!]

>>yep. that'd be me.<<

Putz.......

peckerhead........

 

[atrdriver]

peckerhead........

Waiting on that bonus from management for saving a few pounds of gas?

 

[Nindiri]

Don't know about you guys, but I taxi SE and descend efficiently for myself. Every pound of gas I save is one more available to me when the weather goes to crap.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

On an off note....has anyone been doing the 4.0 degree descent!?!?

Tried it the other day according to the new revision. It states to fly at "idle" and adjust your descent rate to maintain a 4 degree glide path. Ok, so I do this and by the time we get from the upper 30's to the upper teens all of our airspeed has gone away. I wouldn't mind the 4 degree descent as long as we could adjust the power to be 10 below the barber pole.

 

[sweptback]

On an off note....has anyone been doing the 4.0 degree descent!?!? quote]

Tried it the other day according to the new revision. It states to fly at "idle" and adjust your descent rate to maintain a 4 degree glide path. Ok, so I do this and by the time we get from the upper 30's to the lower 20's all of our airspeed has gone away. I wouldn't mind the 4 degree descent as long as we could adjust the power to be 10 below the barber pole.

Yeah, you really have to keep a touch of power in (500ish pph per side) to keep the airspeed up at barber pole-10. If they truely want us to fly power-idle descents, it would take more like a 5-6 deg. descent to keep the speed right at barber pole with idle thrust, and there's no way I'd feel comfortable doing that. I know I've done a 5 deg. descent before (not intentionally) and still had to bump some power in to keep the thing sped up.

One thing's for sure, as pathetic as this airplane is at climbing, it sure does descend well. Nice to know if you're ever left up high and need to get down.

 

[Tomct]

One thing's for sure, as pathetic as this airplane is at climbing, it sure does descend well. Nice to know if you're ever left up high and need to get down.[/quote]


Not on the 700! We climb like a "Raped Ape!!" Gotta love that 12-15 degrees nose up action!

 

["GO AROUND"]

Is this the 50 or 70 and How light were you? I don't think it was meant as an all the time procedure. All the 4 degree descents in the 50 I've done lately havn't reduced my airspeed at flight idle power, but they were 14, 16, or 18K changes in altitude. Of couse you can't pull the power to idle on all four degree descents and expect to hold your speed. A 3 or 4 thousand foot descent at 4 degrees is only 1500 to 1800 fpm.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Is this the 50 or 70 and How light were you? I don't think it was meant as an all the time procedure. All the 4 degree descents in the 50 I've done lately havn't reduced my airspeed at flight idle power, but they were 14, 16, or 18K changes in altitude. Of couse you can't pull the power to idle on all four degree descents and expect to hold your speed. A 3 or 4 thousand foot descent at 4 degrees is only 1500 to 1800 fpm.

My example was in the 70. Descending out of FL370 for some lower altitude which I can't remember exactly. The new POH change states to do this descent at flight idle, however you cannot maintain your airspeed while continually adjusting for a 4 degree path. We went from Mach .82 initially to 280 knots when we reached our crossing restriction in the "teens".

 

[cforst513]

i listened to a lear get it's clearance from jax approach to atlanta and you shoulda heard the dejected sound in his voice when he couldn't take off for another 90 minutes...

 

["GO AROUND"]

Don't get to see .82 much in the 50. It's all relative, I use it when it works.

 

[finnjl]

I used to work for ASA and I bought a ticket on Delta with a connection via Atlanta. I told myself not to do it but I did. Well, I am batting 100% on being delayed, I was in the back but as soon as we took off from Memphis the power was pulled back (I was in seat 38E on the MD-88 so I could tell), we flew circles in the sky, etc. Of course you land and it take 20 minutes to get to a gate. My connection to DFW was late. First it was late arriving aircraft then mx. The flight was packed out and it looked like a lot of non-revs. Of course all the old Delta pilots and non-revs take all the overhead bins and the paying customers have to check their bags in. I had to dig in my bag to get my important documents out of my carry on so I can check my bags. I used to work in ATL and you can not trust the rampers to get your bags on board. I thought there was a policy that non-revs were suppose to gate check their bags, I used to when the flights were full out of respect to the paying customers.

All this was with perfectly clear weather. I will never fly Delta again with a connection in Atlanta. Also, as a paying full fare customer it really made me mad seeing all the Delta pilots on the flight taking all the overhead bins when I know they have IDs and could walk there flight bags and luggage down to the cargo bin. They just did not care. Hopefully I can make it back to Memphis tomorrow. I will dirve 100 miles more in the future and take an American flight out of LIT than fly Delta out of ATL.

I do not understand what Delta was thinking putting that many flights into ATL.