ATC-FL 230 on Climbout

[atpcliff]

Hi!

Why?

Why do you almost always get FL 230 during the climb?

I'm sure it has something to do with ATC and the controller's duties, but no one I've asked knows?

Any ATC guys out there?

Thanx!

Cliff
DTW

 

[Ivan Yankenoff]

I believe it is the changeover from the low to high controller.

 

[Vector4fun]

Most likely it's the transition between the "low" sector's airspace, and the "high" sector. Low climbs you to FL230, top of his airspace, initiates a handoff to high sector, high takes it, you get a freq change to high sector, whereupon, he/she climbs you to a higher altitude. Just a general scenario, there are many sectors with different alltitude strata, but fl240 and above is common high strata.

 

[banned username 2]

Why do you almost always get FL 230 during the climb?

I'm sure it has something to do with ATC and the controller's duties, but no one I've asked knows?

If you turn the Anti-Ice on in that Falcon 20 you won't have to worry about getting handed off above FL230, you'll never get there!

At least that was the case with the CFE700-2D2 Falcon 20's I flew.

How do you like the 20?

 

[na265]

I've noticed that FL230 climb about everywhere we fly. It seems that when we are inbound somtimes the step down clearence will be to FL220. My best guess is to seperate inbounds from outbounds.

 

[bart]

It is the hand-off altitude from the high and low controllers.

"Them there is the level off switches, throw them and you level off" He said, pointing at the Anti-Ice switches...

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

I really like the -20 airframe.

Unfortunately, we don't even have the 2D-2 engines, only the 2Ds. I think they got them in salvage operations off of the Wright "B" Flyer, to save money.

I've heard the plane is really great with the Garrett's.

It's the 1st plane I ever flew (other than light singles) that was performance limited in climb, and even cruise.

Oh, I finally trained on an airplane with modern avionics, and now I'm back to the old round dials. At least I have a flight director (usually) and an HSI. An autopilot that would hold altitude would be nice.

Cliff
SHV

 

[Lrjtcaptain]

all your altititude instructions on climb outs are based on letter of agreements between facilities and what controller in what sector owns what altitudes. In most cases like for instance and Class C tower will own up to about 4000AGL but a LOA for a DP states that anyone flying the DP can got 060 for instance. Then lets say the Departure guy owns from the SFC to 140 not including the 5 mile ring around the airport. Then you get the ARTCC controller who owns SFC - FL230 around your departure airspace, climbs you to FL230, does a handoff and passes you on the next guy who gives you your requested if higher. Dont know if this answers your question cause your pretty fague with the discription. Very seldom will you get a direct climb from tower to climb and maintain FL230 but it happens when your departure controller is a center and the initial controller is working a low and high sector. Ive heard an IFR clearance to an execjet to climb and mainting FL270, expect FL330 10 minutes after dep. It just all depends on what alt are owned by that current controller.

 

[ATCER]

ATPCLIFF... I have a question... are you getting stopped at FL230 or do you usually get a continuous climb to your requested ???

You should see a fairly continuous climb minus some vectors and the occasional stop at an altitude for traffic, that just happens sometimes. If your seeing a delay between FL230 and your final alt then someone is dropping the ball, it should be seamless for the most part minus heavy traffic or something.

 

[Flyingtoohigh]

TRACON controllers will handle departures from tower and get the airplanes pointed in the right direction (towards the destination!). The controllers will climb aircraft filed for high altitudes to FL230 and initiate the hand-off process to ARTCC (Center).

 

[asarjfo]

all your altititude instructions on climb outs are based on letter of agreements between facilities and what controller in what sector owns what altitudes. In most cases like for instance and Class C tower will own up to about 4000AGL but a LOA for a DP states that anyone flying the DP can got 060 for instance. Then lets say the Departure guy owns from the SFC to 140 not including the 5 mile ring around the airport. Then you get the ARTCC controller who owns SFC - FL230 around your departure airspace, climbs you to FL230, does a handoff and passes you on the next guy who gives you your requested if higher. Dont know if this answers your question cause your pretty fague with the discription. Very seldom will you get a direct climb from tower to climb and maintain FL230 but it happens when your departure controller is a center and the initial controller is working a low and high sector. Ive heard an IFR clearance to an execjet to climb and mainting FL270, expect FL330 10 minutes after dep. It just all depends on what alt are owned by that current controller.

Kind of like flying in Mexico.

"Canlder 712 is cleared AF, climb and maintain FL330.....blah blah blah..." Its even better on the arrival, right from FL310 to 7,000 feet, oh and watch out for those mountains hombre!

 

[Russ]

In my past life I was a controller in the military and for a short while in the FAA. The assumption is correct about 230 being the boundry between sectors.

 

[JBcrjca]

I remember when I used to get annoyed by intermediate level-offs during the climb. But these days I don't mind them so much when climbing in the high 20s and low 30s. The Climb Restricted Jet gets rather doggy above FL200 in the summer, and it's hard to climb at the normal profile. So now I kinda like being able to level off and accelerate a little bit to get back to the 'normal' climb speed and maybe get 1000fpm. But controllers are usually pretty good about clearing us higher just as we're about to level off. Then we continue to stagger at 500fpm.

 

[iaflyer]

CF700-2D2

Cliffatp - the plane I'm flying today has 2D2 engines (811). It may be the only one with those engines at the moment.

Engine gurus - is the only difference between the CF700-2D and the CF700-2D2 the shape/length of the cowling around the exhaust? That's what someone told me.

iaflyer

 

[atpcliff]

ATCer,

We usually climb through FL 230, or we're only there for a short while.

Late at night, or in Mexico, where I was a few days ago, we do typically get climbs directly to altitude-my last Mexico trip we were given an initial altitude of FL 330 just like ASARJFO said.

Oh, and by the way, who is call sign "Candler"-my capt was asking-we've heard them a lot, but neither one of us knows. Are they Aeromexicio?

Cliff
MCI

 

[Be200pilot]

"candler" is ASA