ATC causes VERY near miss betw regional & major

[Poahi]

This is where ALPA needs to step up. Had the issue been pilot error, the FAA would be doing press interviews for all the major networks and the public will be calling for the pilot to be fired. This controller is facing the devistating consequences of retraining.

 

[Abernathy]

This is where ALPA needs to step up. Had the issue been pilot error, the FAA would be doing press interviews for all the major networks and the public will be calling for the pilot to be fired. This controller is facing the devistating consequences of retraining.

I'm waiting for some knucklehead at the network to pin it on the pilots. It's always the pilots. Rather than praising them for successfully executing evasive maneuvers to avert a disaster.

 

[XPOO]

Yeah, that's great! LOL! Like, oh my god!

You know what I love? English! It's reeaally fun. It's got adverbs and adjectives and other neat-o parts of speech! I heard about this one that modifies a noun - totally rad.

Like someone else said: It was a miss. What kind of miss? A near miss.

Wow, look who George Bush didn't leave behind. Any English expert would agree that the term "near hit" would more accurately describe this aeronautical phenomenon than the term "near miss" does. "Narrowly avoid" would trump them both.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

For the technically challenged, language impaired, & flame inclined...

Near miss (safety)

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


A near miss is an unplanned event that did not result in injury, illness, or damage - but had the potential to do so. Only a fortunate break in the chain of events prevented an injury, fatality or damage. Although human error is commonly an initiating event, a faulty process or system invariably permits or compounds the harm, and is the focus of improvement. Other familiar terms for these events is a "close call", or in the case of moving objects, "near collision".
Reporting, Analysis and Prevention

• An ideal near miss event reporting system includes both mandatory (for incidents with high loss potential) and voluntary, non-punitive reporting by witnesses. A key to any near miss report is the "lesson learned". Near miss reporters are in a position to describe what they observed about genesis of the event, and the factors that prevented loss from occurring.
• The events that caused the near miss are subjected to root cause analysis to identify the defect in the system that resulted in the error and factors that may either amplify or ameliorate the result.
• To prevent the near miss from happening again, the organization must institute teamwork training, feedback on performance and a commitment to continued data collection and analysis, a process called continuous improvement.

Safety improvements by near miss reports

Reporting of near misses by observers is an established error reduction technique in many industries and organizations:

Aviation

• In the United States, the Aviation Safety Reporting System (ASRS) has been collecting confidential voluntary reports of close calls from pilots, flight attendants, air traffic controllers since 1976. The system was established after TWA Flight 514 crashed on approach to Dulles International Airport near Washington, D.C., killing all 85 passengers and seven crew in 1974. The investigation that followed found that the pilot misunderstood an ambiguous response from the Dulles air traffic controllers, and that earlier another airline had told its pilots, but not other airlines, about a similar near miss. The ASRS identifies deficiencies and provides data for planning improvements to stakeholders without regulatory action. Some familiar safety rules, such as turning off electronic devices that can interfere with navigation equipment, are a result of this program. Due to near miss observations and other technological improvements, the rate of fatal accidents has dropped about 65 percent, to one fatal accident in about 4.5 million departures, from one in nearly 2 million in 1997.[1]
• In the United Kingdom, an aviation near miss report is known as an "airprox", by the Civil Aviation Authority. Since reporting has begun, aircraft near misses continue to decline. [2]

Fire-rescue services

• The rate of fire fighter fatalities and injuries in the United States is unchanged for the last 15 years despite improvements in personal protective equipment, apparatus and a decrease in structure fires. [3] In 2005, the National Fire Fighter Near-Miss Reporting System was established, funded by grants from the U.S. Fire Administration and Fireman’s Fund Insurance Company, and endorsed by the International Associations of Fire Chiefs and Fire Fighters. Any member of the fire service community is encouraged to submit a report when he/she is involved in, witnesses, or is told of a near-miss event. The report may be anonymous, and is not forwarded to any regulatory agency. [4]

Healthcare

• AORN, a US-based professional organization of perioperative registered nurses, has put in effect a voluntary near miss reporting system (SafetyNet [5]), covering medication or transfusion reactions, communication or consent issues, wrong patient or procedures, communication breakdown or technology malfunctions. An analysis of incidents allows safety alerts to be issued to AORN members.
• The Patient Safety Reporting System (PSRS) is a program modeled upon the Aviation Safety Reporting System and developed by the United States Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) to monitor patient safety through voluntary, confidential reports. [6]
• The Near Miss Registry is a risk free, anonymous reporting tool for near misses in Internal Medicine. It is sponsored by the New York State Department of Health and administered by the New York Chapter of the American College of Physicians. This tool collects information about both near miss medical errors and the barriers that kept these errors from reaching patients.

Rail

• CIRAS (the Confidential Incident Reporting and Analysis System) is a confidential reporting system modelled upon ASRS and originally developed by the University of Strathclyde for use in the Scottish rail industry. However, after the Ladbroke Grove rail crash John Prescott mandated its use throughout the whole UK rail industry. Since 2006 CIRAS has been run by an autonomous Charitable trust.[7]

Notes

1. ^ Wald, Matthew L.. "Fatal Airplane Crashes Drop 65%", The New York Times, October 1, 2007. Retrieved on 2007-10-01.
2. ^ Civil Aviation Authority: UK Airprox Board, Retrieved July 16, 2006
3. ^ National Fire Fighter Near-Miss Reporting System (www.firefighternearmiss.com): FAQ Retrieved July 16, 2006
4. ^ Mandak, Joe. "Database seeks to lower firefighter deaths", USA Today, September 18, 2005. Retrieved on 2006-07-08.
5. ^ AORN: SafetyNet Retrieved on July 16, 2006
6. ^ L. A. Lenert, MD, MS, H. Burstin, MD, MPH, L. Connell, MA, RN, J. Gosbee, MD, MS, and G. Phillips (2002). "Federal Patient Safety Initiatives Panel Summary". J Am Med Inform Assoc 9: s8-s10. Retrieved on 2006-06-28. 
7. ^ CIRAS Charitable Trust CIRAS website, Retrieved December 20th, 2006

 

[ackattacker]

Wow, look who George Bush didn't leave behind. Any English expert would agree that the term "near hit" would more accurately describe this aeronautical phenomenon than the term "near miss" does. "Narrowly avoid" would trump them both.

Are you an English Expert? No need to answer, it's self evident you are not.

The people at Merriam-Webster are English Experts and they conclude that the term is correct.

near miss
Main Entry: near miss Function:noun Date:1940 1 a: a miss (as with a bomb) close enough to cause damage b: something that falls just short of success2 a: a near collision (as between aircraft)

There is a more detailed explanation in the Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of English Usage. I won't quote the whole passage but you can look it up at books.google.com

 

[XPOO]

Well if it's on wikipedia it must be true. I surrender to the almighty wiki.

 

[XPOO]

a near collision (as between aircraft)
Notice how your precious Merriam-Webster breaks it down to its actual meaning.

 

[ackattacker]

You know, your right.

Clearly the people who wrote that article are idiots. I don't know how they slipped it past the editors. As are my "precious" dictionary writers. Idiots. What makes them so qualified to write the definitive guide to English Usage? Those guys at wikipedia, freakin' idiots. Can't they just see? Why can't they just listen to XPOO? Don't they realize that people are using English all wrong?

 

[XPOO]

Anyways, anyone with an English degree will agree that in any case the phrase "near miss" is a misnomer. ....And I'm spent.

 

[rtmcfi]

You know, your right.

I believe it's you're.....