ATA's White Knight = SWA? H. Hegeman Opinion

[FlyBoeingJets]

ATA's B737-800s regularly fly non stop from MDW to SFO, SEA, LAX, CAN, capable of carrying 173 passengers. The only time you start to be load limited to the farthest airports is when the temp at MDW rises in the mid 80s and then you might limit the load to around 160 passenegers.

The performance capabilities of the aircraft is why ATA chose the B737-800 over the Airbus.

P.S. I am right about the above info but dead wrong about picking AWA as ATAs buyout partner, it was a fun ride though.

I seem to remember carrying 170ish out of MDW to guadalahara (sp). Long flight with a bleeds off T/O with temp at least 85+. The 800 with 27k engines is a wonder.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

Holly also hinted that Jetblue may show up at the bidding process. It is beginning to look more and more like these gates are going to get split. The question is who will get what? Southwest's real objective here is not so much to get 5-7 more gates, but to make sure that AirTran doesn't get all 14. How about 4 gates for Jetblue for $60M, 2 gates for Southwest for $30M, and 9 gates to AirTran for the $90M?

JetBlue needs to have the 190 for operations out of MDW from more than 1 or 2 gates. Why? Stage length. The 320 is cheaper than SWA's 737-700 on longer flights. I can't remember the length but it is over 1200 miles. But you have to fill the seats on the 320, another potiential issue, for the longer flights to be cheaper than the -700. The 190 will be cheaper on the shorter flights than the -700. The -700 will have a medium stage length that will beat the 320 or 190 on efficiency.

No 190, no big MDW operation for JB.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

JetBlue needs to have the 190 for operations out of MDW from more than 1 or 2 gates. Why? Stage length. The 320 is cheaper than SWA's 737-700 on longer flights. I can't remember the length but it is over 1200 miles. But you have to fill the seats on the 320, another potiential issue, for the longer flights to be cheaper than the -700. The 190 will be cheaper on the shorter flights than the -700. The -700 will have a medium stage length that will beat the 320 or 190 on efficiency.

No 190, no big MDW operation for JB.

Read the other thread about SWA being ATA's white knight. The real purpose will be to encourage ATA to continue operations out of MDW. I believe the 737-800 is more efficient than the 320 on the long haul to West coast. The SWA/ATA combo may effectively keep JetBlue out of deploying 320s at MDW.

 

[FlyChicaga]

How do you ignore a poster? I don't have anyone on my ignore list yet, but that is about to change. Bye bye, lowecur.

 

[lowecur]

JetBlue needs to have the 190 for operations out of MDW from more than 1 or 2 gates. Why? Stage length. The 320 is cheaper than SWA's 737-700 on longer flights. I can't remember the length but it is over 1200 miles. But you have to fill the seats on the 320, another potiential issue, for the longer flights to be cheaper than the -700. The 190 will be cheaper on the shorter flights than the -700. The -700 will have a medium stage length that will beat the 320 or 190 on efficiency.

No 190, no big MDW operation for JB.

Hi Boeing.

Yes, in my opinion Jetblue needs at least 4 gates to run the 190 efficiently and give it the toehold it needs to compete in Chicago. I think you underestimate the draw the 190 is going to have on pax. With a BELF of 60%, running full 190's to Chicago will be a big money maker. The immediate question is does Jetblue need Chicago as a focus city now? That question will be answered in the next week or so. If they decide not to get involved in the bidding process today, they probably have pretty good information that Daley plans to muck things up for ATA, or they see better opportunities elsewhere.

If Chicago is only in Jetblue's immediate future for a few flts from JFK, then I believe they are making a strategic mistake. I firmly believe that ORD gates will be tied up for the next 5 years at least. If SWA ends up with 5-7 gates, will AAI withdraw their bid? My guess is no. They will be very happy to take 7-9 gates at a pro-rated price. The question is will SWA use those 5-7 gates to expand into some of AAI's key cities, or will the codeshare with ATA initially hurt AAI? If SWA allows AAI to coexist (as in BWI), then Jetblue will not have a major presence in Chicago in this decade (and Gary Kelly would be very happy).

You just may see B6 look to attack AAI in ATL with the 190's. This is kind of a backdoor approach to getting into Chicago, but one that could certainly weaken AAI in the future. Time will tell.

 

[FlyChicaga]

Ya know, I really wish I could read what you said, but I found out how to ignore you. Not reading your drivel is like that feeling you get after taking a big dump... refreshing.

 

[lowecur]

Ya know, I really wish I could read what you said, but I found out how to ignore you. Not reading your drivel is like that feeling you get after taking a big dump... refreshing.

Next time remember to take your drawers down. Your fellow pilots get tired of flying with the windows open.

 

[Boeingman]

Next time remember to take your drawers down. Your fellow pilots get tired of flying with the windows open.

LowIQer, now I know you probably are drawing on the vast well of aviation knowledge here but in real life, what you're proposing cannot happen since airliners are pressurized. You've probably based this absurd reply on what you saw by watching the "Airport 77" movie when George Kennedy opens the cockpit window inflight on the Concorde to fire the flare gun right?

Unlike how the old women (with bowel problems) you try and pawn insurance on roll down their kitchen window from either your B.O. from that unwashed polyester suit or a load in their drawers, it is dumb scenario for the airliner board.

We must consider the source of the attempted, yet so lame, flame.

 

[lowecur]

Lowecur, now I know you probably are drawing on the vast well of aviation knowledge here but in real life, what you're proposing cannot happen since airliners are pressurized.

Well obviously you've never flown in a DC-1.

Let me ask, do you fly with or without your toupee? Most DC-1 pilots must wear their hats when the windows are open.

 

[Boeingman]

Well obviously you've never flown in a DC-1.

Let me ask, do you fly with or without your toupee? Most DC-1 pilots must wear their hats when the windows are open.

Even you, as lame and limp wristed as you have proven yourself to be each time you post, can come up with better material than that.

Point - Boeingman

 

[lowecur]

Even you, as lame and limp wristed as you have proven yourself to be each time you post, can come up with better material than that.

Minus One Point - Boing

Actually, I think your reply that the cabin is pressurized was much more lame and limp wristed. Now go have another drink, and then go bitch slap Johnson.

 

[Boeingman]

Actually, I think your reply really hurt me since I am such a stupid a$$ to forget that the cabin is in fact pressurized. Again I have shown that I was much more lame and limp wristed. Now I'll go have another drink, and then go bitch slap my miniscule Johnson like I always resort to doing after someone else has proven once again what an idiot I am.

Of course you would dildo, because you're to much of a fool to understand you can't pressurize an aircraft with the window open as you said in your original diatribe.

Like I have told you time and again LowIQer, playing with yourself watching airplanes does not maketh an airline expert.

Back to the insurance forums for you.

 

[lowecur]

Boing Minus 2

 

[Boeingman]

Boing Minus 2

Gee, what a shot. Not unexpected from such an idiot.

 

[lowecur]

Gee, what a shot. Not unexpected from such an idiot.

The master of creativity. I see you've stolen my changing of the original quote. You must be Oriental? They are very good at copying other peoples work. But, that's OK Boing, stealing my trademark ideas is very flattering.

 

[Boeingman]

The master of creativity. I see you've stolen my changing of the original quote. You must be Oriental? They are very good at copying other peoples work. But, that's OK Boing, stealing my trademark ideas is very flattering.

Stolen? Nah, just lowering the bar down to a level where you can understand it.

Speaking of master of creativity, does this mean you're an Oriental as well copying my "lame and limp wristed" comment? Or perhaps your mirrored response to the "johnson" as I correctly point out where you aquire the vast knowledge of your aviation intellect? Remeber LowIQer, by the end of the runway?

LMAO, yes, you're an original guy all right. LMAO

 

[TWA Dude]

Allright, kids, take it outside already.

 

[lowecur]

Boing

Very weak!

 

[Boeingman]

My arguments are very weak and limp wristed

Compeletly true. However with you, the material initself is, in fact weak. I do have to consider the source LowIQer.

 

[CaptSeth]

What was this thread about, anyway?

 

[lowecur]

What was this thread about, anyway?

Do you fly that DC-1 with a toupee?

 

[Dizel8]

Now boys, play nice!

lowecur, nothing wrong with loving this game called airlines, but remember, many of us live it and have been doing so for a long time. Perhaps you too have gotten infected by it, many of us have, but ease up sometimes, it may end up being less confrontational that way

 

[lowecur]

Now boys, play nice!

lowecur, nothing wrong with loving this game called airlines, but remember, many of us live it and have been doing so for a long time. Perhaps you too have gotten infected by it, many of us have, but ease up sometimes, it may end up being less confrontational that way

Okay.

 

[Metro752]

They put a 753 through the wall on a hot day in the summer. Well I think one of the mains hit the wall, thats all.

 

[CMonBoard]

So...if AirTran gets "only" 8 additional gates to their current two, wouldn't that allow them to expand out of DFW AND the void left after US Air shuts down in January or February (read the Bloomberg news report re: US Air). Seems like revenue options everywhere.

 

[vc10]

How would you like that crow?

Holly was spot on. You were wrong.

I think Holly's been sniffin glue again with this prediction. At least we won't have to wait long to see if she's right or not. But, I think that it's a much safer bet that she's wrong this time. This just isn't SWA's style, and they have bigger fish to fry right now, than to prop up a failing competitor.

 

[nimtz]

The master of creativity. I see you've stolen my changing of the original quote. You must be Oriental? They are very good at copying other peoples work. But, that's OK Boing, stealing my trademark ideas is very flattering.

My god, are you a glutten for punishment? Too bad for all of us you can't shut-up and admit you are out of your league. Point Boeingman...