ATA interviews

[HalinTexas]

ALPA lied to us even before USAir left. ALPA was run by US, UA, and DL. They didn't care about us then. So, no, ALPA hasn't "taken care" of us. No union has, once you're not paying dues. No airline has, either. Not, FedEx that pulled the charter plug, not SWA after they scavenged our carcass, no one, not even our so-called GAL/GAH "partners."

We've scattered to the four corners of the earth. A few have passed, one just recently and two in training accidents for new jobs. The best we've got for any of us is that a few of the low-tier freight dogs have hired us and we're still a "preferential status" among others at CAL should they keep it after the merger is complete in 2020 and they start hiring in 2025. I turn 60 that year and will be hoping for a mandatory 70 retirement.

Everyone, and I mean everyone, in this business is a g0dd@mn liar and a cheat. I'm at peace with that now that I've accepted it.

So, don't turn this into an anti-ALPA thread, because USAPA ain't gonna do (nor would it have done) anything for us. Your easties could give a sh!t. I know a lot of the westies and they have always expressed regret that the ATA/AWA merger didn't go through. That would have been a piece of cake.

I'm on my fourth gig since the shutdown, and the first in the US.

D@mn, now you got me all riled up.

I'm going to apologize for the tone and content of this post. It is unprofessional and caught me on a bad day.

I'm sick of the incessant ALPA-USAPA-SWAPA shamma-lamma-ding-dong whining stuff constantly on this board. It's counter productive and I got suckered in.

 

[Wesb737fo]

Any more info?

Dude.. you're like the "Indiana Jones" of the internet for digging that one up.

 

[FO 4 Life]

I don't think Allegiant has hired a single ATA crew member since the shut down. Could be a former ATA management person is there.

They have at least one. I could probably ask if there are more.

 

[Mr Wu]

I don't think Allegiant has hired a single ATA crew member since the shut down. Could be a former ATA management person is there.

Gary Elmer is on the BOD.

 

[flygirlqt]

Some things the ALPOphiles would love to burry and forget! JUST LIKE YOU

Is that like burying the definition, meaning and agreement of binding arbitration?

 

[HalinTexas]

Gary Elmer is on the BOD.

That's the one. He was VP Flt Ops. at ATA. Was responsible for the DC10 integration that resulted in giving FEDEX an excuse for dumping us due to dispatch reliability. Classic case of "screw up, move up." Google John Tague at UAL.

 

[Ty Webb]

Didn't the Airtran offer include buying ATA assets and planes, but not take the pilots?

And no, I'm not hating. It's just a question.

Gup

We were told that the aircraft leases were more expensive to assume than what we could get from Boeing.

Even though there were no aircraft purchased, our union still sent a letter to the Company asking them to give preferential hiring to the ATA pilots. We hired quite a few.

 

[HalinTexas]

We were told that the aircraft leases were more expensive to assume than what we could get from Boeing.

Even though there were no aircraft purchased, our union still sent a letter to the Company asking them to give preferential hiring to the ATA pilots. We hired quite a few.

That's true of the pre-bankruptcy costs, especially of the 1st 5 B757 leases (EETC). Those were around $600K/mo per airplane. GM said that was a stupid deal to get into. He was right. After the reorg. they were cut down by more than half, but we had to give up aircraft, future deliveries as well as deposits to get it. We went from 65 aircraft at our peak, down to 30 or 35 at the end. We were a steal, but no one was buying.

I'm pretty sure FL didn't want the WBs or the B757s, either. Didn't know what to do with them.

 

[Ky.BrownBourbn]

CAL did hire a couple of guys that were current on the B757. SWA in '05 interviewed about 50, hired about 10. Since then, they've hired more than 10. I know one in training right now.

I did hear that SWA interviewed every B737 check airmen, and didn't hire a single one. Could be wrong. I don't think SWA hired a single union member that held a position as an officer. Could also be wrong about that. I don't think Allegiant has hired a single ATA crew member since the shut down. Could be a former ATA management person is there.

I do know one guy from ATA that was a 73 guy at Allegiant...Super Guy.
KBB

 

[tailwindz]

We were told that the aircraft leases were more expensive to assume than what we could get from Boeing.

Even though there were no aircraft purchased, our union still sent a letter to the Company asking them to give preferential hiring to the ATA pilots. We hired quite a few.

F,,,,, well "you" know what comes next.

You guys tried to do the exact same seniority grab that SWAPA is going to shove you know where, only worse.

Good luck with that. Karma is a ...........

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

Halin T:

Allegiant has hired a number of former ATA guys. Some were TWA furloughed and then went to ATA. AAY most recently hired a former B757 Captain from ATA. You are incorrect in your statement.

 

[HalinTexas]

Compared to what many other airlines have hired since '08, it's a pittance. I know of many that could not even get an interview. Myself included.

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

Are you still talking about Allegiant????

Compared to what many other airlines have hired since '08, it's a pittance. I know of many that could not even get an interview. Myself included.

Your statement was to the effect that Allegiant had some sort of policy of not hiring ATA guys. That was and is incorrect. AAY has hired more ATA guys than SWA had hired during the preferential hiring period. That was when Allegiant only had about a dozen planes or so.

We might be just breaking the 400 pilot number and about to have 60 A/Cs in the fleet. Our model is different than most and we do not fly as many cycles or have as many pilots per A/Cs as other airlines.

Pittance or not. Allegiant employed about the same amount or more former ATA pilots as any other airline as far as where they found the supply of applicants.

There wasn't exactly a hiring boom when ATA went under, but many went to Allegiant (percentage-wise out of those that were hired).

 

[CaptSeth]

I got a nice fat no-thank you from Allegiant (no interview, just applied and got turned down). I surmise that Gary Elmer had a lot to do with a good number of ATA guys NOT getting hired there. Especially the union officials - same deal at World, Omni, NAA.

I mean, they're starting a 757 program, but they don't want people with a decade or more of international 757 experience? Come on....

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

33.3% of AAY B757 F/Os are former ATA

I got a nice fat no-thank you from Allegiant (no interview, just applied and got turned down). I surmise that Gary Elmer had a lot to do with a good number of ATA guys NOT getting hired there. Especially the union officials - same deal at World, Omni, NAA.

I mean, they're starting a 757 program, but they don't want people with a decade or more of international 757 experience? Come on....

This is typical FI. Currently 33.3% of the Allegiant F/Os are former ATA, over 50 with over 10 years B757 experience and there are more B757 guys from ATA, even some B737 former ATA guys on our seniority list.

Maybe it's just the man trying to hold Capt. Seth down or maybe they just don't hire "undisciplined civilians". The standards must have been lower when I got through.

Move along, disperse to your home in an orderly fashion. thanks for bringing back this dead thread!

 

[ron burgundy]

That's true of the pre-bankruptcy costs, especially of the 1st 5 B757 leases (EETC). Those were around $600K/mo per airplane. GM said that was a stupid deal to get into. He was right. After the reorg. they were cut down by more than half, but we had to give up aircraft, future deliveries as well as deposits to get it. We went from 65 aircraft at our peak, down to 30 or 35 at the end. We were a steal, but no one was buying.

I'm pretty sure FL didn't want the WBs or the B757s, either. Didn't know what to do with them.

I'm pretty sure they just didn't want to interview Whine Lover. They wouldn't know what to do with HIM!

 

[Jetjockey]

I'm pretty sure they just didn't want to interview Whine Lover. They wouldn't know what to do with HIM!

No one knows what to really do with Whine Lover...............Do they??

Jeff is correct, I know a few ATA guys who were offered jobs, or worked there before ATA officially closed down.

 

[HalinTexas]

I'm specifically talking about after ATA shut down.

 

[CaptSeth]

I stand by my statement. Also, 33% of your FO's are ex-ATA? Really? First I've heard. I only know about two, and theywere pre-shutdown, pre Elmer.

Jeff, "The Man" ain't keepin me down now, fortunately. But thanks for asking?

 

[Metro752]

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