ATA Health?

[tranceport]

Here today, gone to Maui.


All Southwest ever wanted was the gates....and the city and the courts gave their blessing, duh. The city of Chicago and the BK process could care less about labor....it's played out all the time, not only with airlines.

they weren't going to pass up a very inexpensive opportunity to completely dominate an airport. everybody in their way is just biding time.

Good luck to all former and soon to be former ATA employees.

 

[HalinTexas]

The plan for the Airtran deal as told to our union was that ATA would have been down to 400-450 pilots by summer. I would have been gone. ATA was also to retreat/retrench into IND, where, I'm sure, would have resulted in our liquidation by now.

GM was the principle reason why we're in BK today. We could have declared 10 months sooner and been better off, however, he refused to relinquish his control. He fired JT, but didn't change the business plan. What good did that do?

 

[atafan]

This is not a slame on AirTran by any means but if the AirTran deal would have taken place last year ATA would not have made it past last Spring.

If SWA only wanted the gates we would not have made it through the summer. ATA only survives today because we have dedicated hard working employees that has made this airline an airline that can add worth to SWA and ultimately provide a cash stream to their bottom line. ATA will provide international feed to SWA quicker and cheaper than if they developed it on their own.

Was this SWA's original intention last winter? I don't believe it was, I believe what they originally said was the truth, they were originally only interested in keeping AirTran out of MDW. By working closely with ATA and having their man John Denison on property at ATA this new arrangement is morphing into a long term agreement that will ultimately be good for SWA and then of course for ATA employees ultimately.

I believe that, at least from a pilot's perspective, the pilot's of ATA and SWA will play well together and put aside petty issues for the common good of both companies.

 

[capt. megadeth]

This is not a slame on AirTran by any means but if the AirTran deal would have taken place last year ATA would not have made it past last Spring.

If SWA only wanted the gates we would not have made it through the summer. ATA only survives today because we have dedicated hard working employees that has made this airline an airline that can add worth to SWA and ultimately provide a cash stream to their bottom line. ATA will provide international feed to SWA quicker and cheaper than if they developed it on their own.

Was this SWA's original intention last winter? I don't believe it was, I believe what they originally said was the truth, they were originally only interested in keeping AirTran out of MDW. By working closely with ATA and having their man John Denison on property at ATA this new arrangement is morphing into a long term agreement that will ultimately be good for SWA and then of course for ATA employees ultimately.

I believe that, at least from a pilot's perspective, the pilot's of ATA and SWA will play well together and put aside petty issues for the common good of both companies.

For your sake, I hope you are right.....but it sounds like too much turkey yesterday went to your head. Good luck.

 

[apache]

This is not a slame on AirTran by any means but if the AirTran deal would have taken place last year ATA would not have made it past last Spring.

If SWA only wanted the gates we would not have made it through the summer. ATA only survives today because we have dedicated hard working employees that has made this airline an airline that can add worth to SWA and ultimately provide a cash stream to their bottom line. ATA will provide international feed to SWA quicker and cheaper than if they developed it on their own.

Was this SWA's original intention last winter? I don't believe it was, I believe what they originally said was the truth, they were originally only interested in keeping AirTran out of MDW. By working closely with ATA and having their man John Denison on property at ATA this new arrangement is morphing into a long term agreement that will ultimately be good for SWA and then of course for ATA employees ultimately.

I believe that, at least from a pilot's perspective, the pilot's of ATA and SWA will play well together and put aside petty issues for the common good of both companies.

Or.....................Maybe this has been a year long interview process with ATA and WN doesn't like what they see.......................

 

[atafan]

Or.....................Maybe this has been a year long interview process with ATA and WN doesn't like what they see.......................

I think you are right, it has been a long interview with SWA.

The word I'm getting is that The codeshare has been renewed and enhanced. I guess the interview is not going badly.

IMHO

 

[radarlove]

So much for MP getting their pee-pee slapped...

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051124/BUSINESS/511240352&SearchID=73227538043115

Skipper

After reading the article, I came to the conclusion (surprise) that I was right. Matlin did, in fact get their pee-pee slapped. They had to pony up a much higher percentage of the stock to the creditors than they originally were going to, the actual amount is still secret.

I think this does make it look like SWA is going to get the gates though.

 

[vc10]

What's the latest, guys? I have to believe that the HQ of ATA is going to move from Indy, now that ATA has zero scheduled flying from Indy. Or is that just wrong?

After reading the article, I came to the conclusion (surprise) that I was right. Matlin did, in fact get their pee-pee slapped. They had to pony up a much higher percentage of the stock to the creditors than they originally were going to, the actual amount is still secret.

I think this does make it look like SWA is going to get the gates though.

 

[atafan]

ATA Update.

Enhanced codeshare with SWA was signed and extended for 7 years. Unsecured creditors have bought off on the MP/SWA deal, plan to be submitted to Bankruptcy court this week on the 6th. Expect to hear new cities announced with codeshare soon.

The plan as I am told is that ATA will become the international airline for SWA, ATA has exclusive rights to codeshare with SWA. SWA will begin local advertising for ATA routes and include ATA logo and advertising on the SWA website highlighting the ATA routes.

This week should supply new information.

 

[1800 RVR]

This is great news for all my ATA buds. I wish all of you the best of luck for this new year! I miss flying with you guys. Truly, a great bunch of professionals! I hope this works out!

 

[pnjohn75]

Correct me if I'm wrong...... But it sounds like a classic B-Scale feed for SWA. Why are the SWA pilots allowing their flying to be outsourced. I have a lot of friends at ATA and I wish them the best, but how much of their flying is feed for SWA, and how much is charter and O & D traffic for ATA. You would hope the SWA pilots wouldn't stand for this, and give the ATA pilots a helping hand....... But I'm sure they will just twist in the wind....

Good luck to all.

p.s. All I know about the deal is what I've read on this thread, so sorry in advance if I do not have the big pictue

 

[atafan]

I have to agree, I don't want to see ATA becoming "B" scale feed either. I think at least for now, the only flying we will do as codeshare with SWA will be flying they can't or want to do themselves.

I welcome a productive healthy discussion regarding this.

 

[SWA/FO]

B-Scale feed? What is that, some type of new dog food?

Its my understanding the code-share was a two way street. You guys think this is a one way code share?

If our union was worried about our international flights being out sourced then they would probably speak up. I never bid on the overseas stuff myself, I like to stay in the lower 48.
:beer:

 

[Hair-on-Fire]

I never bid on the overseas stuff myself, I like to stay in the lower 48.
:beer:

I assume this is a stipulation of your parole?

 

[atafan]

Obviously it's a two sided agreement. The percentage of feed from SWA to ATA is much greater to ATA than ATA's feed to SWA. Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled with this deal and hope that we don't run into any snags with violating any scope issues with SWA pilots.

This codeshare agreement has been a life line to us and I want to see it's full potential.

 

[Green]

If our union was worried about our international flights being out sourced then they would probably speak up. I never bid on the overseas stuff myself, I like to stay in the lower 48.
:beer:

you don't bid the "overseas stuff" at Swa?

 

[atafan]

you don't bid the "overseas stuff" at Swa?

I think he meant "Over "C"s Stuff" :beer:

 

[SWA/FO]

Dude, we have no scope.

Unless you count the little bottles of mouthwash at some of the hotels, then on certain overnights you can say we have scope at SWA.

 

[atafan]

Forgive me, I thought you had something similiar to scope. A SWA friend told me that your contract made mention to SWA not owning over 25% of another airline.

Is this false intel?

 

[sbn340mech]

Why dosen't SWA just go ahead and cut the rope and let ATA slowly sink. Kinda like ATA did to Chicago Express, (except they did it abruptly) ATA seems to be on a path similar to Chi Ex. It's only a matter of time.