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[Jmoney]

What I find funnier is no matter how much you guys hate us, you go around telling everyone you're one of us!

737

You mean they go around telling people they are hopelessly GAY TANSVESTITES?!

Wow-I didn't know it was that bad.

-Good luck with that, Samantha!

 

[General Lee]

admit it GL you got owned with this one and he is right. Scope giveaway's was/is a massive F-UP.

Admit what? That a BK judge was watching when we HAD to UP the number of seats from 70 to 76? Wow, not much we could have done there, except said no and then liquidated. Great choices. Did I really get "owned" by Knoxville? I am going to Vienna this week, and I can't wait.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[PCL_128]

Fact is that the attitude that most Regional guys have would not work or fit in here. The mentality is so different.

Care to elaborate? On the surface your statement sounds incredibly arrogant. I hope that's a misperception.

 

[737 Pylt]

This message is hidden because Jmoney is on your ignore list.

Let me guesse, more homosexual comments, and something more stupid than the last time he posted.
Imagine how boring the trailer park he lives in must be when he's off to work! At least his mom gets plenty of attention while he's working!
You're proving more and more why you're nothing but a sniveling little *************************!

737
Stand by for tanker clown to appear in 3..........2........1.......

 

[johnboy99]

I am going to Vienna this week, and I can't wait.


Bye Bye--General Lee

I'll wager that while in Vienna you will spend your entire layover on Flightinfo and never leave the hotel. You would rather harass some Comair FO as to what his paycheck says than see the world. So sad. Maybe I am wrong just maybe you will get off the computer just long enough to play with your little vienna sausauge while in vienna. Cheers General

 

[Jmoney]

This message is hidden because Jmoney is on your ignore list.

Let me guesse, more homosexual comments, and something more stupid than the last time he posted.
Imagine how boring the trailer park he lives in must be when he's off to work! At least his mom gets plenty of attention while he's working!
You're proving more and more why you're nothing but a sniveling little *************************!

737
Stand by for tanker clown to appear in 3..........2........1.......

Let me be the first to "guesse" that I am no longer on you "ignore list." Pretty sad, assclown.

 

[~~~^~~~]

... most of us have a bad taste in our mouths over the whole RJDC thing and the not hiring of DAL guys after 9/11 with out seniority resignation. Fact is that most guys I fly with ask me this.

Because of this bad blood I do not see DAL ALPA ever putting you on the list. I agree that it is the best way to solve the outsourcing issues. Fact is that our MEC sees the DCI thing as a necessity. Why because we as DAL cannot assume the liability of all of the overhead. It is easier for us to outsource, and in fact protects the mother company from financial demise if the loans come do. I agree to some point, but the fact is that I still feel that we as a company and pilot group should do all flying. From an E-120 all the way to a 744. We can all dream. I guess I did for a second or two when Delta bought ASA in 1999. Then I woke up.

I can tell you this. These companies (DCI) are so different that mainline it is not even funny. I can say this because I have been on both sides. Fact is that the attitude that most Regional guys have would not work or fit in here. The mentality is so different.

ACL:

I'm not disagreeing with your reporting of what you see on the line. I can tell you are struggling with explaining something that just does not make sense. ASA has always been one of the most profitable airlines on the planet.

The amazing thing is that well educated pilots with experience as senior officers repeat this rhetoric with no consideration as to the actual financial mechanics of the DCI contracts, or their MEC's sale of their scope.

The smarter (and less inhibited) foes of one list will come right out and admit that they want ALPA to negotiate higher pay for them and the rest of the pilots on smaller aircraft can be damned. At least this argument is logical.

The others lump the RJDC and Comair MEC together when in fact they took opposite positions on many issues. As one of the few who will admit to having supported the RJDC cause, I liked the idea of Delta pilots holding concurrent seniority on the ASA property because it was one big step closer to one list and one representational structure.

The RJDC was a representational fight - to get ALPA Reps at the table with the real employers at interest so they could represent their pilots. Today that has happened. SkyWest is bound by ASA's contract and Delta is bound by Comair's. Call up your former DFW Captain's Rep and ask him what role the RJDC played.

When I listen to the core concerns about outsourcing, most Delta line pilots are actually aligned with ALPA's most basic tenets of representation. The part I do not understand (and maybe someone on the board can explain to me) is why many pilots feel that Northwest deserves different representation from their union than Comair does? Logically, NWA integration is a much larger threat than ASA or Comair's staple would have been.

If it is big airplane bigotry, then it is even more illogical. Compass's E-Jets are more capable than early models of the DC9.

I think the reason why many Delta pilots have a bad taste in their mouths is because they've eaten a lot that isn't quite right on these scope issues. Somehow a group of regional pilots who never got to negotiate scope are to blame for concessionary contracts that Delta pilots ratified. It makes no sense.

I agree with you this perception exists to the extent that it is widely accepted as reality. Since you know the truth, I would encourage you to fill in the factual blanks.

As far as DCI attitudes go, you get what you manage and train. When I flew at a DCI carrier we were never told to emphasize "Safety, Efficiency and Customer Service." In fact, J Atkin sat in the crew lounge and told us "fuel is a pass through cost... we get paid for on time performance" and we got premuim pay so it was hard to argue with the guys who flew around at .82. I'm sure with good training and management attitudes can be brought up.

I've been talking up the concept of taking some form of "In Command" on the road to achieve just this sort of improvement. After all, Delta's brand is partially dependent on the service DCI provides.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Let me be the first to "guesse" .... Pretty sad, assclown.

Not that I'm picking on JMoney, but you're worried about DCI pilots' attitudes if we merge?

I'm more concerned about my former NWA's Captain's attitude after we merge.

 

[737 Pylt]

Not that I'm picking on JMoney, but you're worried about DCI pilots' attitudes if we merge?

I'm more worried about my former NWA's Captain's attitude after we merge.

Me: Sir, the logbook looks good
CA: F_ Y_
Me: OK, I'll be getting the walk around

Fins:
Unfortunately when you quote jhomo, I can see what he posts.....
Not to worry though, she isn't going anywhere.....Matter of fact, its amazing this little chicken ******************** even got hired on at ASA, and now he's stuck there as an f/o forever!:laugh:

737

 

[JonnyKnoxville]

Yes, I know what it means, and CMR is lumped in to our financials. The reason that they are keeping you on the books is this. You are the best pressure relief valve that they could ask for. No one would ever sue DAL for breaking a contract with CMR, why you are wholly owned. So when the flying shifts away from RJ's eventually you will take the hit. I agree it is crap, but it is business and not personal. It has not happened yet, but if DAL looses these court battles rest assured they will look no further than CMR to make up the difference.
Also, most of us have a bad taste in our mouths over the whole RJDC thing and the not hiring of DAL guys after 9/11 with out seniority resignation. Fact is that most guys I fly with ask me this. They are 20+ year guys and were no way effected by the decision. I know that the majority of OH guys were either not there or had noting to do with it, but the fact remains. It is kind of like saying all DAL guys are a-holes. We all just get lumped in.
Because of this bad blood I do not see DAL ALPA ever putting you on the list. I agree that it is the best way to solve the outsourcing issues. Fact is that our MEC sees the DCI thing as a necessity. Why because we as DAL cannot assume the liability of all of the overhead. It is easier for us to outsource, and in fact protects the mother company from financial demise if the loans come do. I agree to some point, but the fact is that I still feel that we as a company and pilot group should do all flying. From an E-120 all the way to a 744. We can all dream. I guess I did for a second or two when Delta bought ASA in 1999. Then I woke up.
I can tell you this. These companies (DCI) are so different that mainline it is not even funny. I can say this because I have been on both sides. Fact is that the attitude that most Regional guys have would not work or fit in here. The mentality is so different.

Great post! You are one level-headed mofo. Thanks for that. As you said we can always dream for one list and I will continue. The RJDC is water under the bridge and only a select few had any decision not to put furloughs on our list. Sucks for everyone.

 

[JonnyKnoxville]

I know exactly what it means!
So, what does your uniform say, Delta or Comair?
What does your check say? Comair or Delta?
Its really not that difficult.
What I find funnier is no matter how much you guys hate us, you go around telling everyone you're one of us!

737

What did the song flight attendants uniforms say?
As far as the telling everyone that I am a Delta pilot, it has never happened, except when asked by the little old lady passenger that does not understand what corporate shell games and B-scales are. I simply say "We fly the little jets for Delta".

 

[Superpilot92]

Not that I'm picking on JMoney, but you're worried about DCI pilots' attitudes if we merge?

I'm more concerned about my former NWA's Captain's attitude after we merge.

You shouldnt worry If there are any with that attitude i am sure its very limited and both sides will have them.

 

[Superpilot92]

Admit what? That a BK judge was watching when we HAD to UP the number of seats from 70 to 76? Wow, not much we could have done there, except said no and then liquidated. Great choices. Did I really get "owned" by Knoxville? I am going to Vienna this week, and I can't wait.


Bye Bye--General Lee

so your saying if you didnt give up scope DAL would have liquidated? You got owned because what he said about scope is right, that was my point

 

[General Lee]

so your saying if you didnt give up scope DAL would have liquidated? You got owned because what he said about scope is right, that was my point

We had to make some concessions in BK, that was the point. Look, you guys gave up everything pretty much, except some scope and your pension. The rest went into the toilet. Luckily you will get a lot of that back (we won't get the pensions back though), and hopefully we will keep your tighter scope restrictions. When a BK judge is watching, it can be tough to negotiate. And yes, we could have said no, struck, and then liquidated. It was "dicey" to say the least.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Superpilot92]

We had to make some concessions in BK, that was the point. Look, you guys gave up everything pretty much, except some scope and your pension. The rest went into the toilet. Luckily you will get a lot of that back (we won't get the pensions back though), and hopefully we will keep your tighter scope restrictions. When a BK judge is watching, it can be tough to negotiate. And yes, we could have said no, struck, and then liquidated. It was "dicey" to say the least.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Well good, as long as we all agree SCOPE is a HUGE issue. It may have been forced down your throats in the past but its not now. Hopefully people learned from the last scope giveaways that its very bad for the industry as a whole to do it again. Not to mention the guys that got furloughed wouldn't have if those aircraft would have gone to mainline.

 

[~~~^~~~]

disregard