At the NEW Delta...looks like MEM will....stick around...article

[johnboy99]

I will give you credit for pointing out on thing Jmoney. It is the credit issues for DAL. The deal will get done for that reason alone. I would bet dollars to donuts that our creditors told management that if we did not merger there would be no more loans for those big 777. With out those we can not sustain this business plan, alone or apart.
This deal will get done. It will be done quickly. Why? Because the next storm is already on the horizon. Open Skies, after that Foreign Ownership. Guys those are threats to management as well. They need this deal done to protect what is theirs. In turn it will protect what is ours.
The next three years MAY see us furlough and shrink a little as we get our ducks in a row. Fact is that after that, there will be no other airline in this country that can touch us. That is coming from people that know a lot more than you and I ever will.

If the DOJ does not approve this merger and quickly I would bet it would be three months to furloughs and not three years.

I just rode four legs this week on Delta. One each on Delta mainline, Comair, ASA, and Chautauqua. Did not leave on time once with beautiful weather and did not leave the southeast in my commute. And to top off the last commute home (drum roll please) riding on a RJ with no APU in 90 degree weather from CVG. But hey, it was a free ride and I am not complaining even after having to take a bath because I sweated away five pounds. Could this be the airline nobody will be able to touch. As a former DCI pilot Delta still has a crappy domestic product that needs to be overhauled. News flash... Southwest will still be kicking everybodys butt in several years and I don't work for them.

 

[General Lee]

If the DOJ does not approve this merger and quickly I would bet it would be three months to furloughs and not three years.

I just rode four legs this week on Delta. One each on Delta mainline, Comair, ASA, and Chautauqua. Did not leave on time once with beautiful weather and did not leave the southeast in my commute. And to top off the last commute home (drum roll please) riding on a RJ with no APU in 90 degree weather from CVG. But hey, it was a free ride and I am not complaining even after having to take a bath because I sweated away five pounds. Could this be the airline nobody will be able to touch. As a former DCI pilot Delta still has a crappy domestic product that needs to be overhauled. News flash... Southwest will still be kicking everybodys butt in several years and I don't work for them.

The DOJ is still looking at it, but most people think it will be approved. We only have 12 overlapping routes, and they are between our respective hubs. Oberstar may not like it,(being on the Congressional Aviation Committee) but Sen Mica from FLA (being on the Senate Aviation Committee) already said he didn't see anything wrong. Both Committees can help TRY to influence the merger, but the DOJ will make the ruling, and DL seems to have a lot of friends in DC---like former Senator Trent Lott, who is lobbying his friends FOR DELTA right now. ($$$$$)

As far as our product, I think it is fine. Summertime flying can be tough with T-Storms, but that is the way it goes. Flights are full (doesn't mean profits though), and things are moving along. I think things will slow down in SEP, and that is where most airlines are going to start the big hurt. You will see fewer flights in the FALL, and more heavy MX. We are a Spring/Summer airline anyway at DL, with the bulk of our flying done during those times.

And, you sound like a sour puss. Southwest only has so many seats to fill, and if they fill them all the other passengers will have to fly the rest of us. Good for them, but they won't be the only one around in the end. Some airlines will fail, and the rest will pick up the slack. Please go commute on someone else.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[FBN0223]

News flash... Southwest will still be kicking everybodys butt in several years and I don't work for them.

News flash!!! Delta is a global airline which competes around the world with several airlines. The US domestic route system is just another market. Being that Southwest is a Texas based airline that doesn't even fly to Mexico, I doubt you'll see them competing for passengers out of Paris or Narita any time soon.

 

[mlifly]

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[JonnyKnoxville]

The DOJ is still looking at it, but most people think it will be approved. We only have 12 overlapping routes, and they are between our respective hubs. Oberstar may not like it,(being on the Congressional Aviation Committee) but Sen Mica from FLA (being on the Senate Aviation Committee) already said he didn't see anything wrong. Both Committees can help TRY to influence the merger, but the DOJ will make the ruling, and DL seems to have a lot of friends in DC---like former Senator Trent Lott, who is lobbying his friends FOR DELTA right now. ($$$$$)

As far as our product, I think it is fine. Summertime flying can be tough with T-Storms, but that is the way it goes. Flights are full (doesn't mean profits though), and things are moving along. I think things will slow down in SEP, and that is where most airlines are going to start the big hurt. You will see fewer flights in the FALL, and more heavy MX. We are a Spring/Summer airline anyway at DL, with the bulk of our flying done during those times.

And, you sound like a sour puss. Southwest only has so many seats to fill, and if they fill them all the other passengers will have to fly the rest of us. Good for them, but they won't be the only one around in the end. Some airlines will fail, and the rest will pick up the slack. Please go commute on someone else.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Really General!? Our domestic product sucks. Come ride in the back of my 50 seat RJ from CVG to JFK while the packs keep the passengers comfortable at 95 + degrees. After your long flight sitting right across from the smelly bathroom next to some overweight guy who takes up half of your already small seat you land at JFK wait for a parking space for an hour. You try and look out your window to see what the hold up is and quickly realize you can't because the window is down by your waist. Now that the flight has finally ended, we dump you out on a noisy and flooded ramp in the middle of a thunderstorm. You are soaked and your bags are soaked as you stand in four inches of water. Oh yeah, don't trip on the steps off the airplane and be careful walking up those steps back up into the terminal (I have seen one passenger shatter her nose in our galley when her face hit the floor after tripping on the top step).

After that wonderful plane ride you get to have a pleasant conversation with the only gate agent that will acknowledge you in the terminal to try and find your connection because it is the most effed up piece of sheet terminal on the planet.

Other than that, we have a great product.

 

[generaltso]

Really General!? Our domestic product sucks. Come ride in the back of my 50 seat RJ from CVG to JFK while the packs keep the passengers comfortable at 95 + degrees. After your long flight sitting right across from the smelly bathroom next to some overweight guy who takes up half of your already small seat you land at JFK wait for a parking space for an hour. You try and look out your window to see what the hold up is and quickly realize you can't because the window is down by your waist. Now that the flight has finally ended, we dump you out on a noisy and flooded ramp in the middle of a thunderstorm. You are soaked and your bags are soaked as you stand in four inches of water. Oh yeah, don't trip on the steps off the airplane and be careful walking up those steps back up into the terminal (I have seen one passenger shatter her nose in our galley when her face hit the floor after tripping on the top step).

After that wonderful plane ride you get to have a pleasant conversation with the only gate agent that will acknowledge you in the terminal to try and find your connection because it is the most effed up piece of sheet terminal on the planet.

Other than that, we have a great product.

AMEN to that! Something must be done about JFK, it is pathetic and embarrassing.

 

[johnboy99]

AMEN to that! Something must be done about JFK, it is pathetic and embarrassing.

And that is before you get through the front door at terminal 3.

 

[atlcrashpad]

Lies lies an mo lies..... DAL MGT is full of it.......... tell ya whats ya wanna hear den day is gwoin ta slam it down yo throat....... economics has dun changed an we so sorry butt......
bouyyyyyyyyy....

 

[737 Pylt]

So, have you worked on Wall Street? What financial experience do you have? Or are you just offering your unqualified opinion?

OYS....
Unfortunately the only financial experience this little prick understands is in the service of his $5 tricks he performs on the street corner. Unfortunately I can still read his BS when someone quotes him. Don't waste your time responding to the little ********************, he's just a scared little boy hiding behind a compute keyboard!

737

 

[General Lee]

Really General!? Our domestic product sucks. Come ride in the back of my 50 seat RJ from CVG to JFK while the packs keep the passengers comfortable at 95 + degrees. After your long flight sitting right across from the smelly bathroom next to some overweight guy who takes up half of your already small seat you land at JFK wait for a parking space for an hour. You try and look out your window to see what the hold up is and quickly realize you can't because the window is down by your waist. Now that the flight has finally ended, we dump you out on a noisy and flooded ramp in the middle of a thunderstorm. You are soaked and your bags are soaked as you stand in four inches of water. Oh yeah, don't trip on the steps off the airplane and be careful walking up those steps back up into the terminal (I have seen one passenger shatter her nose in our galley when her face hit the floor after tripping on the top step).

After that wonderful plane ride you get to have a pleasant conversation with the only gate agent that will acknowledge you in the terminal to try and find your connection because it is the most effed up piece of sheet terminal on the planet.

Other than that, we have a great product.

Unfortunately YOUR PRODUCT is mixed in with OUR product. What we need is less RJs at JFK. Do we need feed from the smaller cities? How about 1 flight a day instead of a few? If we got rid of most of your 50 seaters and AA Eage 37 seaters, the airport would probably run smoother and we wouldn't lose as much money. How many times have I been stuck trying to get into Lima Alpha at our terminal with a few money losing 50 seaters cloggin up everything trying to get to commuterworld? Ridiculous. A few of your CR9s could be used to go to larger cities, but that would be enough. We can only pray......


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[rtmcfi]

Unfortunately YOUR PRODUCT is mixed in with OUR product.

Nope, it is still your product. Your mgmnt hired them, it is your product. You sell it as your own. Perception is reality.

What we need is your ABSENCE at JFK. Why do we fly money losing 50 seat RJs at JFK? Do we need feed from the smaller cities?

You do need the feed from smaller cities, like it or not. The cities that are too small for the likes of SWA are the only cities domesticly that you are going to be able charge a fare for that will allow a much of a profit.

If we got rid of your 50 seaters and AA Eage 37 seaters, the airport would probably run smoother

Yep, cause with the loss of the RJ's, and the resultant loss of connecting pax, all traffic would shrink dramatically

A few of your CR9s could be used to go to larger cities, but that would be enough. We can only pray......

Unfortunatly for pilots as a whole, it will be more than a few.

 

[General Lee]

Nope, it is still your product. Your mgmnt hired them, it is your product. You sell it as your own. Perception is reality.

Well, that is why we need to limit them. If you think RJs still make money in this environment, you are smoking pot. That is why our management is AGGRESIVELY trying to park them. How many Freedom RJs were parked for June in FLO? 23. The injunction for Mesa will not last forever, and then those RJs are GONE.

You do need the feed from smaller cities, like it or not. The cities that are too small for the likes of SWA are the only cities domesticly that you are going to be able charge a fare for that will allow a much of a profit.

We do need feed from small cities, but only when our RJs are the only ones flying there. If we go up against Airtran 717s, we lose. If we go up against Jetblue E190s out of JFK to SYR, ROC, etc---we will lose. We only need one RJ a day to feed our INTL pushes, not 4 daily. The other 3 are money losers in this environment, and they will be gone in SEP.



Yep, cause with the loss of the RJ's, and the resultant loss of connecting pax, all traffic would shrink dramatically

Again, a lot of the flights into JFK do NOT connect pax to Europe. Those will be gone. They are money wasters. We do need feed for the big INTL pushes, and maybe 1 CR9 could do the trick early afternoons. Why is there a 10 am flight to JFK from some of these places? That is the problem.


Unfortunatly for pilots as a whole, it will be more than a few.

We still have limits on the and a 76 seat CR9 still can lose money against an Airtran 717. The CR9 also uses up an asset (the gate and jetway), that can be used by something larger when needed. Regardless, as good ole Boyd states, the days of CRJ-50s are numbered. That will help a lot.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Interesting... Pinnacle gets much of its MSP flying shifted to Mesaba. Then looses the ATL flying. It sure smells of something rotten for them. Or is that just the normal foul odor in MEM?

 

[xjlifer]

Interesting... Pinnacle gets much of its MSP flying shifted to Mesaba. Then looses the ATL flying. It sure smells of something rotten for them. Or is that just the normal foul odor in MEM?

It smells of a airline in negotiations with NWA.

 

[JonnyKnoxville]

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