ASR Approach

[Foxcow]

Does anyone know of an airport that has a published chart for an ASR? I was told by my instructor that there are a few out there.


Thanks

 

[garf12]

Sorry dont know of any published, but have you ever actually been able to get one? Everytime I ask I get "unable" not because they are to busy, but it seems that no one really knows how to do it. Or atleast the people I allways get.

 

[minitour]

Sorry dont know of any published, but have you ever actually been able to get one? Everytime I ask I get "unable" not because they are two busy, but it seems that no one really knows how to do it. Or atleast the people I allways get.

I got one...asked coming back from a cross country (just after my PPL) and asked if I could get a practice ASR if they had time. Not a problem, got briefed on it by the controller and it was great. He even asked me if it worked out how I imagined when he handed me to tower.

Not really a big deal. "Turn right 10 degrees" "turn right 5 degrees" "5 degrees left of course correcting back" "3 degrees left of course 2 miles from runway correcting to the right"

no biggie.

-mini

 

[citabriapilot]

I fly out of the Fernandina Beach airport (55J) near Jacksonville, FL and do the ASR all the time. I don't think NOS publishes the actual procedure, which is why the controllers always give you the MAP and MDA, but there is a chart put out by Jeppesen.

The JAX Approach controllers seem to have no problem giving the ASR and do it quite often. I did it last week in actual down to minimums and the controller put me right on the centerline. PM me if you have any other questions.

 

[Foxcow]

Sorry dont know of any published, but have you ever actually been able to get one? Everytime I ask I get "unable" not because they are to busy, but it seems that no one really knows how to do it. Or atleast the people I allways get.

I got one the other day.

 

[BD King]

Ask for a no gyro asr. The ones that were really kinda fun were the PARs.

 

[minitour]

Ask for a no gyro asr.

That sounds kinda cool...flew an instrument flight about 3 weeks ago for the syllabus here and asked for no-gyro vectors for one approach...got the "unable" which was fine, but I always thought it would be cool...

Hopefully I'll be doing a late night flight here shortly and can get no-gyro vectors

-mini

 

[LarryinTN]

CAE (Columbia, SC) has an ASR chart published by Jepp.

 

[Fury220]

Try flying a no-gyro ASR/PAR in a formation approach on the WING.


...those are fun





Oh, and then try it from the back seat. Oh joy

 

[Capn Sac]

Key West has one. It gets used quite frequently when the wx dictates. No ILS available, I think the ASR gets you lower than the NDB A, and not as large a rate of descent needed to get to MDA in a "short" horizontal space.

 

[Flying Illini]

Have recieved the ASR into Key West several times.
Got one going into FMY two weeks ago...they asked if we would do it since they needed the currency...of course I obliged, those things are so easy!

 

[Snoopy58]

IIRC, ASR mins are published on NOAA approach charts on the same page as other straight-in approaches... i.e. Cat A, B, C, etc across the top, and ILS, then LOC only, then ASR down the side. On Jepp charts, many airports have a 10-16 or 10-19 page or somesuch that shows the airport and feathers for every ILS and at the bottom lists ASR mins. Seems like a lot of military/civil joint-use fields have ASR mins published. Pretty routine to do them in the Herk. Probably easier to fit into the workload & more challenging (i.e. worthwhile) for the controller to perform, since a C-130 has a quicker transit from turning final to the runway than a light single... less time the controller spends on the ASR (since the guy/gal controlling final for the ASR isn't available to control other traffic), and less room for sloppy vectors.

Definitely a fun approach, and nice to have seen before should you need one to get down if your navaid receivers happen to fail on you!

 

[groundpointsix]

IIRC, ASR mins are published on NOAA approach charts on the same page as other straight-in approaches... i.e. Cat A, B, C, etc across the top, and ILS, then LOC only, then ASR down the side. On Jepp charts, many airports have a 10-16 or 10-19 page or somesuch that shows the airport and feathers for every ILS and at the bottom lists ASR mins.

Actually, the ASR mins in the gov't plates are found near the beginning and are just listed in textual fashion. (I'd give you the page, but I'm out of town and don't have a set of plates with me)

In the Jepps the ASR usually gets its own page IIRC. 19-xx maybe? Can't remember, don't usually get to use Jepps.

 

[GravityHater]

Once when our ILS was out we had a rare day of low ceilings. An AmEagle flight was doing an n-p approach and missed. They then asked for an ASR because it had slightly lower mins and still missed. Meanwhile I got in to a very nearby satellite airport I assume because I could get 100' lower being a cat A a/c. They sounded peeved that they had to go all the way back, and hearing me make it (I assume this part) likely didn't help their attitude that day. It was interesting to hear an asr in actual... Id thought that was for emergencies (or practice) only and never imagined a pt121 could do them.

 

[Vector4fun]

Page N in the front of the NACO charts. (OK I did have to look that up )


I notice in SC-5, which is SE Texas, only Beaumont has published mins anymore. Nothing for any Houston airport or Austin.

In SC-3, which is SW Texas, NGP, ELP/BIF, NQI, DLF, MAF, NOG, GRK, SJT, ACT, PWG, and CNW have ASR/PAR mins published. Most of those are military fields. Nothing in the SAT area published, even for RND? Hmmm.

The FAA is slowly getting out of the ASR business I believe. Before I left ELP years ago, we'd often have to turn them down because there wasn't staffing to open an ASR scope. When it was really slow I've tried running an ASR on one scope on one freq, while running normal traffic on another freq on the scope next to it, but you don't really want to do that more than a couple times, it sucks. The FAA was ready to eliminate ASRs at ELP/BIF years ago, but I believe the military lobbied to keep them published out there....

[edit]

I meant to add that there are currency requirements that controllers have to meet to run them. Seems we had to log one ASR a month, and one no-gyro per quarter IIRC.

 

[Snoopy58]

Ground .6,

You're absolutely correct about the textual thing in the front of the book -- don't know where I got the contrary idea, but as soon as I read your comment, the lightbulb came on.

FWIW, SWA is authorized to conduct ASR approaches, but not a PAR unless in an emergency. Pretty rare to actually do one, though.

 

[greygoose]

Duluth, MN has the published ASR. But whats the point all it is, is a chart with altitudes and localizers.