ASA's hiring pool

[a-v-8er]

Re: Does the ASA leadership endorse this?

I thought it was an industry standard that if you received a letter of employment you were in. 1st in were 1st out.

I totally agree! For people in the pool this is really unfair. They already narrowed down the selection by dumping poeple who didn't keep current in the pool (100hrs the last 6 months or whatever they say). To make them go in and do a sim eval again... I'm thinking: Can they even do that? I'm sure they can and sadly they will probably get away with it too...

 

[bailout]

Just for the record, when ASA started hiring again in Jan 2002 after 9/11, they sifted through the pool and picked people strictly by exp levels, and not in "order". Those with the most got a class date first. So this is not the first time they have done this. Is it right? Well, maybe not from a moral standpoint, but is it wrong?, Not from a business standpoint. They strive on currency BIG TIME. The 100 hours in the last 6 months is a minimum.
What sux for poolies, is waiting this long just to be purged, or skipped over because some 8,000 hour guy comes along.

 

[sleepy]

There is nothing fair about this business.

 

[a-v-8er]

It's not right... but possible what ASA considers best for them. I'm just speaking on behalf of someone I know who's been in the pool for almost a year and a half and they have provided very little information about anything and everything what-so-ever. The "be ready" kind of deal, but then you wouldn't hear anything at all for a long time and now starting in December, the first news from them was wanting updated paperwork (which I'm sure everyone can see is required, but also makes you think you might be going to class soon). Then the drug testing in Febuary (again, another indication they will give you a class date soon) and finally the call about sim eval within the last few days (which suddenly paints a totally different picture, not?). That's quite upsetting when you've first been told for over a year to "be ready" for when we pick up hiring...

 

[~~~^~~~]

Re: Does the ASA leadership endorse this?

Does the leadership at ASA know that Capt Ellis is doing this? Is there any value in bringing this to their attention?

Capt. Ellis is a smart lady, very fair and objective. My guess is that the "leadership" is where this decision came from. And no, telling the senior management of any company that they are making a mistake is usually not the way to get hired. But again, that is only my guess.

However, if someone were to make the case that that they really wanted to work for ASA, and had waited for ASA, their loyalty might be rewarded.

ASA is a good place to be, but do you really want to work at a subsidiary in a holding company, wholly owned by a disfunctional business headed for bankruptcy in the middle of contract negotiations?

If you get on at ASA, great! If you don't, that is fine also. Skywest, Frontier, Airtran, there are other employers out there. I have friends who could not get hired at Pan Am, Eastern, or Braniff, who took a job with that crappy cropduster outfit in Atlanta called, Delta. One retired off the L1011, others will be off the 777. Long story short, it works out in the long run.

 

[btflyer2]

Fellow poolies, take heart and stay by your phone . . .

 

[Palerider957]

Re: Re: Does the ASA leadership endorse this?

Capt. Ellis is a smart lady, very fair and objective. My guess is that the "leadership" is where this decision came from. And no, telling the senior management of any company that they are making a mistake is usually not the way to get hired. But again, that is only my guess.

However, if someone were to make the case that that they really wanted to work for ASA, and had waited for ASA, their loyalty might be rewarded.

ASA is a good place to be, but do you really want to work at a subsidiary in a holding company, wholly owned by a disfunctional business headed for bankruptcy in the middle of contract negotiations?

If you get on at ASA, great! If you don't, that is fine also. Skywest, Frontier, Airtran, there are other employers out there. I have friends who could not get hired at Pan Am, Eastern, or Braniff, who took a job with that crappy cropduster outfit in Atlanta called, Delta. One retired off the L1011, others will be off the 777. Long story short, it works out in the long run.

Good advice. Air Wisc is hiring and they have a contract and corporate culture ASA could only dream of having. Good luck.

 

[Ace757]

As long as there are pilots with 5000 + hours with Jet and 121 experience it is unrealistic to think that us low time guys have much of a chance. I will have to say though that it does seem a little unfair to dump pilots that you have already determined to be qualified for higher time pilots. Just because you have 5000 +, that doesnt mean nesccerly mean that the pilot is better

 

[AirportBum]

Re-eval

Just a quick word of advice to all the poolies who are complaining about the re-eval . . . .

BE CAREFUL what you say on this board, as you never know who is reading these threads, and how easily recognizable you are behind your screenname.

Summary: Stop your whining, show some confidence that you will actually pass the re-eval ride, and be thankful that ASA is even contacting you at all!

That said, good luck to all who have to be re-evaluated

 

[shamrock]

Just for the record, when ASA started hiring again in Jan 2002 after 9/11, they sifted through the pool and picked people strictly by exp levels...

So how did you get in?

Thanks for the heads up on that Captain I flew with this past weekend. He read the FOM and Ops Specs for most of the day. Fun was had by all.

 

[bailout]

>>Thanks for the heads up on that Captain I flew with this past weekend. He read the FOM and Ops Specs for most of the day. Fun was had by all.<<

Was his fiance with you guys on the trip? She is a F/A here. It was sickening. She griped about her job the whole time, and he was "yes dear, how are you feeling honey?" etc. BARF...! It was quite clear to me that she is only getting married so she can stop working.