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Just think of it as if you were a guy dating an average looking chick, then due to unforseen matters you were bombarted by all the finest bacardi, budweiser, Hooters, playboy girls in string bikinis begging for you. I think you would purge the old files too!
Sucks but that's just the way it is
Just a little Humor to add to the pain. Good luck folks.
Sucks but that's just the way it is
Just a little Humor to add to the pain. Good luck folks.
a-v-8er
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Ouch... that was harsch! So, I guess all the high timers are going to be a much better fit for the company then 
Why does this remind me of the NY Rangers? They've invested in experienced players and sold or traded all youth for the past 10 years while always aiming high with the highest payroll in hockey. They've missed the playoffs every year since the mid 90's and the still don't seem to learn that sometimes it's better to be diverse or start from scratch to build a team.
Experienced pilots are needed and plenty of them too, but if you put too many of them together at a regional someone starts whining and before you know it things aren't as good any more. Gotta keep a good mix of people! There could be exeptions, but I think this saying explains it well:
"When you first started flying all you wanted to do was work and you didn't really care about money. After working for a while all you want to do is be home and make lots of money!"
Why does this remind me of the NY Rangers? They've invested in experienced players and sold or traded all youth for the past 10 years while always aiming high with the highest payroll in hockey. They've missed the playoffs every year since the mid 90's and the still don't seem to learn that sometimes it's better to be diverse or start from scratch to build a team.
Experienced pilots are needed and plenty of them too, but if you put too many of them together at a regional someone starts whining and before you know it things aren't as good any more. Gotta keep a good mix of people! There could be exeptions, but I think this saying explains it well:
"When you first started flying all you wanted to do was work and you didn't really care about money. After working for a while all you want to do is be home and make lots of money!"
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Medeco wrote:
He has said that several Delta folks were turned down for various reasons both pre interview and post interview.
Not trying to stir things up but some DAL folks really trashed ASA after they were hired at DAL. The old saying 'don't burn bridges' is really true as folks remember. I know for a fact of one particular DAL pilot who loved running his mouth and trashing ASA that wasn't granted an interview.
He has said that several Delta folks were turned down for various reasons both pre interview and post interview.
Not trying to stir things up but some DAL folks really trashed ASA after they were hired at DAL. The old saying 'don't burn bridges' is really true as folks remember. I know for a fact of one particular DAL pilot who loved running his mouth and trashing ASA that wasn't granted an interview.
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Re-eval? Come on....
The interview process at ASA used to be stellar and inviting, not anymore. What a load of crap making a guy redo the sim. If he's current, he's current. I am all about experienced folks, but 5000 hrs to be competitive, give me a break. There are good people out there with lower time. A lot of our current Captains wouldn't get hired if that's competitve. I just think it's annoying to call a guy in to sim if he's already demonstrated he can fly.
Our training isn't the toughest out there either. Don't get me wrong, I think our training is good, but I do recall 250 hr guys in my new-hire class making it and they had NO experience. We ain't flying the Shuttle. I grow tired of people saying how tough the training is. I guess it could be tough if you haven't had training like that before, but a lot of applicants have and to dismiss them just because they aren't marketable enough to apply at FedEx, well, that's goofy.
Maybe we can keep this practice up and we'll have hundreds of FOs that have 3-5 times the experience their Capts have. That'll be a lovely CRM class at recurrent. Point is, if you have that much expereince, go somewhere like SWA, FedEx, UPS, AirTran, etc. If your gonna be an FO for 5 plus years you might want to make more $.
The interview process at ASA used to be stellar and inviting, not anymore. What a load of crap making a guy redo the sim. If he's current, he's current. I am all about experienced folks, but 5000 hrs to be competitive, give me a break. There are good people out there with lower time. A lot of our current Captains wouldn't get hired if that's competitve. I just think it's annoying to call a guy in to sim if he's already demonstrated he can fly.
Our training isn't the toughest out there either. Don't get me wrong, I think our training is good, but I do recall 250 hr guys in my new-hire class making it and they had NO experience. We ain't flying the Shuttle. I grow tired of people saying how tough the training is. I guess it could be tough if you haven't had training like that before, but a lot of applicants have and to dismiss them just because they aren't marketable enough to apply at FedEx, well, that's goofy.
Maybe we can keep this practice up and we'll have hundreds of FOs that have 3-5 times the experience their Capts have. That'll be a lovely CRM class at recurrent. Point is, if you have that much expereince, go somewhere like SWA, FedEx, UPS, AirTran, etc. If your gonna be an FO for 5 plus years you might want to make more $.
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Does the ASA leadership endorse this?
I have been in the pool since OCT 2002. I was called in Nov 03 to update my data, but have heard nothing since then. I talked to Julie and she said as more qualified people interviewed they would re-adjust the order of merit for class.
I thought it was an industry standard that if you received a letter of employment you were in. 1st in were 1st out.
Does the leadership at ASA know that Capt Ellis is doing this? Is there any value in bringing this to their attention?
I have been in the pool since OCT 2002. I was called in Nov 03 to update my data, but have heard nothing since then. I talked to Julie and she said as more qualified people interviewed they would re-adjust the order of merit for class.
I thought it was an industry standard that if you received a letter of employment you were in. 1st in were 1st out.
Does the leadership at ASA know that Capt Ellis is doing this? Is there any value in bringing this to their attention?
Just an observation ...
In recent classes, it did appear that we were getting some very experienced folks.
I seem to remember several furloughed US Air, United, and Delta types in there. It seems that several of them had over 4000 hrs and lots of jet 121 time.
As far as the attitudes, I personally saw no problems at all. The ones that made it through the interview process were good people with good attitudes.
The best advice I would give is to keep yourself current and actively flying. In that way, if they call and want you to do another sim ride, you'll be well prepared to do it.
Good luck to all.
In recent classes, it did appear that we were getting some very experienced folks.
I seem to remember several furloughed US Air, United, and Delta types in there. It seems that several of them had over 4000 hrs and lots of jet 121 time.
As far as the attitudes, I personally saw no problems at all. The ones that made it through the interview process were good people with good attitudes.
The best advice I would give is to keep yourself current and actively flying. In that way, if they call and want you to do another sim ride, you'll be well prepared to do it.
Good luck to all.
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Re: Does the ASA leadership endorse this?
I totally agree! For people in the pool this is really unfair. They already narrowed down the selection by dumping poeple who didn't keep current in the pool (100hrs the last 6 months or whatever they say). To make them go in and do a sim eval again... I'm thinking: Can they even do that? I'm sure they can and sadly they will probably get away with it too...
retire02 said:
I totally agree! For people in the pool this is really unfair. They already narrowed down the selection by dumping poeple who didn't keep current in the pool (100hrs the last 6 months or whatever they say). To make them go in and do a sim eval again... I'm thinking: Can they even do that? I'm sure they can and sadly they will probably get away with it too...
Just for the record, when ASA started hiring again in Jan 2002 after 9/11, they sifted through the pool and picked people strictly by exp levels, and not in "order". Those with the most got a class date first. So this is not the first time they have done this. Is it right? Well, maybe not from a moral standpoint, but is it wrong?, Not from a business standpoint. They strive on currency BIG TIME. The 100 hours in the last 6 months is a minimum.
What sux for poolies, is waiting this long just to be purged, or skipped over because some 8,000 hour guy comes along.
What sux for poolies, is waiting this long just to be purged, or skipped over because some 8,000 hour guy comes along.
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It's not right... but possible what ASA considers best for them. I'm just speaking on behalf of someone I know who's been in the pool for almost a year and a half and they have provided very little information about anything and everything what-so-ever. The "be ready" kind of deal, but then you wouldn't hear anything at all for a long time and now starting in December, the first news from them was wanting updated paperwork (which I'm sure everyone can see is required, but also makes you think you might be going to class soon). Then the drug testing in Febuary (again, another indication they will give you a class date soon) and finally the call about sim eval within the last few days (which suddenly paints a totally different picture, not?). That's quite upsetting when you've first been told for over a year to "be ready" for when we pick up hiring...
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Re: Does the ASA leadership endorse this?
However, if someone were to make the case that that they really wanted to work for ASA, and had waited for ASA, their loyalty might be rewarded.
ASA is a good place to be, but do you really want to work at a subsidiary in a holding company, wholly owned by a disfunctional business headed for bankruptcy in the middle of contract negotiations?
If you get on at ASA, great! If you don't, that is fine also. Skywest, Frontier, Airtran, there are other employers out there. I have friends who could not get hired at Pan Am, Eastern, or Braniff, who took a job with that crappy cropduster outfit in Atlanta called, Delta. One retired off the L1011, others will be off the 777. Long story short, it works out in the long run.
Capt. Ellis is a smart lady, very fair and objective. My guess is that the "leadership" is where this decision came from. And no, telling the senior management of any company that they are making a mistake is usually not the way to get hired. But again, that is only my guess.retire02 said:
However, if someone were to make the case that that they really wanted to work for ASA, and had waited for ASA, their loyalty might be rewarded.
ASA is a good place to be, but do you really want to work at a subsidiary in a holding company, wholly owned by a disfunctional business headed for bankruptcy in the middle of contract negotiations?
If you get on at ASA, great! If you don't, that is fine also. Skywest, Frontier, Airtran, there are other employers out there. I have friends who could not get hired at Pan Am, Eastern, or Braniff, who took a job with that crappy cropduster outfit in Atlanta called, Delta. One retired off the L1011, others will be off the 777. Long story short, it works out in the long run.
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As long as there are pilots with 5000 + hours with Jet and 121 experience it is unrealistic to think that us low time guys have much of a chance. I will have to say though that it does seem a little unfair to dump pilots that you have already determined to be qualified for higher time pilots. Just because you have 5000 +, that doesnt mean nesccerly mean that the pilot is better
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Re-eval
Just a quick word of advice to all the poolies who are complaining about the re-eval . . . .
BE CAREFUL what you say on this board, as you never know who is reading these threads, and how easily recognizable you are behind your screenname.
Summary: Stop your whining, show some confidence that you will actually pass the re-eval ride, and be thankful that ASA is even contacting you at all!
That said, good luck to all who have to be re-evaluated
Just a quick word of advice to all the poolies who are complaining about the re-eval . . . .
BE CAREFUL what you say on this board, as you never know who is reading these threads, and how easily recognizable you are behind your screenname.
Summary: Stop your whining, show some confidence that you will actually pass the re-eval ride, and be thankful that ASA is even contacting you at all!
That said, good luck to all who have to be re-evaluated
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