ASA claims that the average TT to get an interview right now is around 5000 hours (DAL furloughs and interns or FSI people excepted). They are interviewing furloughed USAir pilots with 10,000 to 15,000 TT. If we can hire people with that level of experience, why should we hire some person that meets the bare minimums?
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Just FYI...
I have been in ASAs pool since Nov 2002. They called me about three weeks ago to come in to fill out additional forms. It turned out to be to take another drug test as I'd been in the pool for so long. When I was getting the paperwork to go over to the lab, I saw a spreadsheet with poolies on it...counted 17 names. So...the pool hasn't been completely purged, probably just pared down significantly as others have said. They still haven't called me for a class date yet, so I have no idea if any poolies have been called at this time.
I have been in ASAs pool since Nov 2002. They called me about three weeks ago to come in to fill out additional forms. It turned out to be to take another drug test as I'd been in the pool for so long. When I was getting the paperwork to go over to the lab, I saw a spreadsheet with poolies on it...counted 17 names. So...the pool hasn't been completely purged, probably just pared down significantly as others have said. They still haven't called me for a class date yet, so I have no idea if any poolies have been called at this time.
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Just think of it as if you were a guy dating an average looking chick, then due to unforseen matters you were bombarted by all the finest bacardi, budweiser, Hooters, playboy girls in string bikinis begging for you. I think you would purge the old files too!
Sucks but that's just the way it is
Just a little Humor to add to the pain. Good luck folks.
Sucks but that's just the way it is
Just a little Humor to add to the pain. Good luck folks.
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Ouch... that was harsch! So, I guess all the high timers are going to be a much better fit for the company then 
Why does this remind me of the NY Rangers? They've invested in experienced players and sold or traded all youth for the past 10 years while always aiming high with the highest payroll in hockey. They've missed the playoffs every year since the mid 90's and the still don't seem to learn that sometimes it's better to be diverse or start from scratch to build a team.
Experienced pilots are needed and plenty of them too, but if you put too many of them together at a regional someone starts whining and before you know it things aren't as good any more. Gotta keep a good mix of people! There could be exeptions, but I think this saying explains it well:
"When you first started flying all you wanted to do was work and you didn't really care about money. After working for a while all you want to do is be home and make lots of money!"
Why does this remind me of the NY Rangers? They've invested in experienced players and sold or traded all youth for the past 10 years while always aiming high with the highest payroll in hockey. They've missed the playoffs every year since the mid 90's and the still don't seem to learn that sometimes it's better to be diverse or start from scratch to build a team.
Experienced pilots are needed and plenty of them too, but if you put too many of them together at a regional someone starts whining and before you know it things aren't as good any more. Gotta keep a good mix of people! There could be exeptions, but I think this saying explains it well:
"When you first started flying all you wanted to do was work and you didn't really care about money. After working for a while all you want to do is be home and make lots of money!"
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Medeco wrote:
He has said that several Delta folks were turned down for various reasons both pre interview and post interview.
Not trying to stir things up but some DAL folks really trashed ASA after they were hired at DAL. The old saying 'don't burn bridges' is really true as folks remember. I know for a fact of one particular DAL pilot who loved running his mouth and trashing ASA that wasn't granted an interview.
He has said that several Delta folks were turned down for various reasons both pre interview and post interview.
Not trying to stir things up but some DAL folks really trashed ASA after they were hired at DAL. The old saying 'don't burn bridges' is really true as folks remember. I know for a fact of one particular DAL pilot who loved running his mouth and trashing ASA that wasn't granted an interview.
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Re-eval? Come on....
The interview process at ASA used to be stellar and inviting, not anymore. What a load of crap making a guy redo the sim. If he's current, he's current. I am all about experienced folks, but 5000 hrs to be competitive, give me a break. There are good people out there with lower time. A lot of our current Captains wouldn't get hired if that's competitve. I just think it's annoying to call a guy in to sim if he's already demonstrated he can fly.
Our training isn't the toughest out there either. Don't get me wrong, I think our training is good, but I do recall 250 hr guys in my new-hire class making it and they had NO experience. We ain't flying the Shuttle. I grow tired of people saying how tough the training is. I guess it could be tough if you haven't had training like that before, but a lot of applicants have and to dismiss them just because they aren't marketable enough to apply at FedEx, well, that's goofy.
Maybe we can keep this practice up and we'll have hundreds of FOs that have 3-5 times the experience their Capts have. That'll be a lovely CRM class at recurrent. Point is, if you have that much expereince, go somewhere like SWA, FedEx, UPS, AirTran, etc. If your gonna be an FO for 5 plus years you might want to make more $.
The interview process at ASA used to be stellar and inviting, not anymore. What a load of crap making a guy redo the sim. If he's current, he's current. I am all about experienced folks, but 5000 hrs to be competitive, give me a break. There are good people out there with lower time. A lot of our current Captains wouldn't get hired if that's competitve. I just think it's annoying to call a guy in to sim if he's already demonstrated he can fly.
Our training isn't the toughest out there either. Don't get me wrong, I think our training is good, but I do recall 250 hr guys in my new-hire class making it and they had NO experience. We ain't flying the Shuttle. I grow tired of people saying how tough the training is. I guess it could be tough if you haven't had training like that before, but a lot of applicants have and to dismiss them just because they aren't marketable enough to apply at FedEx, well, that's goofy.
Maybe we can keep this practice up and we'll have hundreds of FOs that have 3-5 times the experience their Capts have. That'll be a lovely CRM class at recurrent. Point is, if you have that much expereince, go somewhere like SWA, FedEx, UPS, AirTran, etc. If your gonna be an FO for 5 plus years you might want to make more $.
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Does the ASA leadership endorse this?
I have been in the pool since OCT 2002. I was called in Nov 03 to update my data, but have heard nothing since then. I talked to Julie and she said as more qualified people interviewed they would re-adjust the order of merit for class.
I thought it was an industry standard that if you received a letter of employment you were in. 1st in were 1st out.
Does the leadership at ASA know that Capt Ellis is doing this? Is there any value in bringing this to their attention?
I have been in the pool since OCT 2002. I was called in Nov 03 to update my data, but have heard nothing since then. I talked to Julie and she said as more qualified people interviewed they would re-adjust the order of merit for class.
I thought it was an industry standard that if you received a letter of employment you were in. 1st in were 1st out.
Does the leadership at ASA know that Capt Ellis is doing this? Is there any value in bringing this to their attention?
Just an observation ...
In recent classes, it did appear that we were getting some very experienced folks.
I seem to remember several furloughed US Air, United, and Delta types in there. It seems that several of them had over 4000 hrs and lots of jet 121 time.
As far as the attitudes, I personally saw no problems at all. The ones that made it through the interview process were good people with good attitudes.
The best advice I would give is to keep yourself current and actively flying. In that way, if they call and want you to do another sim ride, you'll be well prepared to do it.
Good luck to all.
In recent classes, it did appear that we were getting some very experienced folks.
I seem to remember several furloughed US Air, United, and Delta types in there. It seems that several of them had over 4000 hrs and lots of jet 121 time.
As far as the attitudes, I personally saw no problems at all. The ones that made it through the interview process were good people with good attitudes.
The best advice I would give is to keep yourself current and actively flying. In that way, if they call and want you to do another sim ride, you'll be well prepared to do it.
Good luck to all.
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