ASAP card drive at FLOPS this week?

[luvu]

Flops board is rumouring about ASAP initial card drive going out to FLOPS pilots in the next few days.

 

[luvu]

election drive possibly under way

http://p068.ezboard.com/brtapilots

http://asapflightdeck.com/

 

[luvu]

Flight Options CEO bails out

http://www.fractionalforum.com/content/view/73/25/

http://crainscleveland.com/news.cms?newsId=2681


Ok, this will be last time we fractional ownership loonies beat up Flight Options for their sanitized "bon voyage" party for John Nahill. The poor guy was probably dumped in the cockpit and a quick glide calculation told him that not only was he not going to make the airport, but he was about to go for a swim.

Pursuing other interests and not being reachable for comment are arguably standard indicator signs for getting an F on your report card, no matter how irrational and chemically imbalanced the teacher is. On the other hand shovelling money into a fireplace while trumpeting your firms marketshare is bound to get someone's attention.

Raytheon may feel like the older brother who takes on the liabilities of the jailbound sibling that has been jumping into fiery burning pits with armfuls of other people's cash.

It is painful, it hurts, and there is lots of yelling, screaming and crying, but these are just some of things we love and hold dear as family.

 

[luvu]

Flight Options JETPASS

http://www.fractionalforum.com/content/view/56/25/


Normally PR is not welcome on these pages, but this one has fractional ownership gurus stumped.

Why trumpet a card that earns the aircraft management company revenue, potentially at the expense of owners as the aircraft depreciate more rapidly through increased utilization?

Or put another way, why own a share, when you can just rent the bloody thing? More to follow on this topic as we query the forums.

 

[luvu]

ASAP- direct appeal to fractional aircraft owners

http://www.fractionalforum.com/content/view/91/25/

ASAP Flight Deck is a double entendre of sorts. Association of Shared Aircraft Pilots is the official acronym, but "ASAPing here and there" is very much part of a fractional ownership pilot's life.

Their website will have the news as it unfolds with respect to pilot union relations and the management at fractional firms.

The focus, so far, appears to be on making a direct appeal to NetJets and Marquis program members.

 

[hawkercpt]

Nahill leaving?

Old news bonehead. Then again, we all see that your just talking to yourself.


looooooooser.

 

[FracDaddy]

Old news bonehead. Then again, we all see that your just talking to yourself.


looooooooser.

The bonehead is you "hawkercpt". It's hard to believe that we still have "boneheads like you that don't see how badly we need a contract at FO. The only pilots we have that would take such a negative view of us organizing, are the ones that have their heads up management’s arss for their own benefit.

It took me two years to get to the point that I understand our need, but it's crystal clear now. And with 135 and all the inevitable screw ups that are coming, I for one don't what to be standing their by my self with management pointing their finger at me for their own stupidity, looking for someone to be the fall guy.

Wake up man and smell the coffee,

 

[hawkercpt]

Excuse me...

Exactly at what point in my post did I say I did not want a contract?
Where did you come up with that? My point is, don't drag up old news to create your stir. There's plenty going on each and every day.
As far as 135, this company is going to have a giant drag shut come out in about 9 days. The only thing we can do is CYA. At least we now will have a set of rules, not "guidelines" that can be changed at the companys whim. There's no more "can you help us out?" going on. It's black and white what you can and can't do.
Where a contract will help is in the consistant nit picking they are doing to our quality of life. On the road and at home.

 

[minimums]

The only pilots we have that would take such a negative view of us organizing, are the ones that have their heads up management’s arss for their own benefit.

You obviously don't know who HawkerCapt is.

 

[gray eagle]

Drag Shut in Nine Days?

Does the Flight Options maintenance department provide a maintenance release for each leg? Is the pilot in command informed of cycles remaining/landing remaing, next inspection date and type, engine and APU hours remaining til next inspection, MEL screen and expiration date? If so, good. If not, bad!!

How does Flight Options track 135 duty time?

 

[WrknStff]

Yes, its all in the ubiquitous dingleberries.

Duty time is tracked through the wog. Duty starts automatically 1 hr prior to the first flight and ends 1 hr after your last landing. If you need to change duty time for some reason you call dispatch and tell them when your off/on times are and why.

 

[hawkercpt]

I meant to say "chute". Not enough beer yet.


The problem is with scheduling, not the MX. They have consistantly shown an in-ability to do their job efficiently. Should be interesting to see how they adjust. Goog thing i'm off though.

 

[XShipRider]

Problem with Scheduling?

The problem is with scheduling, not the MX. They have
consistantly shown an in-ability to do their job efficiently. Should be interesting
to see how they adjust. Goog thing i'm off though.

Your statement regarding scheduling is too broad. You hit the target but missed the bullseye.

Scheduling's management team consistently turned a deaf ear to potential
problems, one of those problems being duty time issues. There were
numerous times I can recall a crew called in, exactly as they should have,
to report a duty time issue. For our discourse the specific problem is not
important, they just had an issue of some type (we all know duty time
issues can be quite wide ranging from FBO problems, hangar issues, cleaning,
maintenance, etc.). The scheduler dutifully placed a note in the grid or
informed supervisors. Quite often (and I have firsthand knowledge and
experience on this!) that scheduler was told words to the effect of, "We
need that plane and crew. I don't care, they were on the ground at XX:XX
and their 10 hours (or 12 on the ground) starts right then."

I contest the row scheduler was often stuck between pilot - management
interpretation of the rules. I'm not excusing schedulers who did not act
appropriately or who disregarded duty time issues... I'm just saying this
used to happen ---- A LOT!

 

[longrangekiller]

If anyone thinks that the maintenance information provided on the BB is enough to keep the FAA Inspector off your back, think again. Put your faith and trust in the BB if you like, it is your call, but, I suggest you call maintenance at least once every day to confirm the maintenance status of you aircraft and inspection cycle.

 

[FracDaddy]

Exactly at what point in my post did I say I did not want a contract?
Where did you come up with that? My point is, don't drag up old news to create your stir. There's plenty going on each and every day.
.

hawkercpt,

I may have misinterpreted you post but I think most that read it would assume it a negative and derogatory response to "Luvu" and his attempts to get out the word. Personally I don’t care if he starts a string that he is the only one to post on as long as the information posted informs one more pilot that needs to hear the word, no mater how redundant it seem to you.

 

[Live4flyng]

Old news bonehead. Then again, we all see that your just talking to yourself.


looooooooser.

That "looooooooser" may be the one helping you organize in the future. I don't think he is talking to himself either. Sounds like you already have it figured out, so good luck.

 

[hawkercpt]

That "looooooooser" may be the one helping you organize in the future. I don't think he is talking to himself either. Sounds like you already have it figured out, so good luck.

Don't know what you think I have figured out...

As far as organizing goes, been hearing about it for over 2 years now...
haven't heard boo in at least 6 months. Believe me, if an organization attempt were made now, I would have a hard time believing it wouldn't go through now. with all of the crap management has been pulling and the whispers of things to come, we all would be foolish not to look for some kind of protection.

We need help guys. Ain't the same company we came into several years ago, that's for shure.

 

[luvu]

The organizing drive HAS BEGUN!

Follow this link to instructions on printing out your Signature Cards and mailing them to Association of Shared Aircraft Pilots. They will collect cards and send them to D.C. with an election petition as soon as they are all collected.

They are looking for 90% plus participation on this within the next 10 days so print multiple cards out and be a part of the distribution and collection team.

If successful, the pilots will have achieved Status Quo within a few short weeks and the bleeding on pay, benefits, working conditions will stop under the law.

http://p068.ezboard.com/frtapilotsfrm24.showMessage?topicID=112.topic


Stay LEGAL this week.

 

[TurboHonda]

Just for clarification

The card is the Representation Authorization And Request For An Employee Election Under The Railway Labor Act. It is the same card that you can download from the IBT Airline Division Website. The difference is that you send it to:

ASAP PMB 203
1255 North Hamilton Road
Gahanna, OH 43230

Which is fine by me. I sent mine in this morning

 

[luvu]

thanks TurboHonda for getting your card in mail today

there have been in excess of 1,000 views on this thread in last two hours. lets hope that many of those result in cards going in just as quickly as TurboHonda's.

there is no time to waste with this drive.

 

[gunfyter]

If you guys unionize ... people like Publishers and Catyaak not gonna be too happy with you...

 

[Diesel]

to be honest if FLOPS unionizes and we aquire them things could be more interesting for us when it comes to a seniority list.

 

[gunfyter]

We will not be merging.

 

[Galaxy]

We need a guy to crack the email lock and send it all to PIC and SIC and FA's. Just like the Tired pilot guy--That still cracks me up!!!!

I wish Merin would come back and play--he was fun!

The biggest opponent of the union here at FLOPS has turned 180 degrees. So what does that tell you?
Anything is better than nothing..
ASAP
Teamsters
Meat Packers
IBEW
Twinkie Stuffers union
Foam Finger Makers Union
Fat methamphetamine eating biscuits and gravy sweating 18 wheels of mother truckin' truckers union--Oh wait thats the teamsters--I already mentioned them..

 

[Grim Reaper]

There will not be a merger. Flight Options is so messed up that no other company can afford to take us over and fund the fix. FO still a bunch of junk aircraft. Even some of the NEW stuff is 7 and 8 years old and falling apart.

I predict the FO union effort will pass this time. The company clowns are pushing just to hard and really upsetting even the most anti, anti-union folks.

If the effort works this time, the first order of business should be to dispose of all the Ricc and Rossi management types to include the check airmen that have attempted to push pilots into doing illegal stuff or who have COOPERATED with the weak sisters in scheduling to move a non-airworthy aircraft or departed CGF when the contaminated runway data did not support a departure attempt.

 

[flyr4hire]

an FO

on the bottom third of the list is in the best position to openly represent pilots and get the union drive moving. Think of it, without the union, this guy is gonna languish as an FO for another few (3-5) years anyway... if there isn't a furlough. If the company cans him for his activities... settlement time! I left FLOPS about two months ago and am now seeing how I was getting screwed from the other side. Where I am now, we fly FLOPS trips 2-3X a week, and I get paid 1K more a month to do it, the equipment is in better shape, and I've only spent one night away from home. Now I know, even without the "program streamlining", why an upgrade was never coming my way! When I was at FLOPS, I sent in a card just to get a vote and to send management a message (believing that the IBT would not get voted in). Now with a union representing fracs... GO FOR IT, Y'all (all my frac bubbas) deserve better than you are getting!

 

[waveoff]

ASAP...A wolf in sheep's clothing?

You guys might want to do a little more research about ASAP before sending those cards in. Just because the name is new doesn't mean it's a new entity. If you read some of the info on the ASAP website you'll seen Don Treichler and the IBT mentioned. Maybe I'm reading it wrong. If I am, please tell me why Don Treichler and the IBT are mentioned on the website. For God's sake, even the cards you send in are IBT cards. Don't jump on the ASAP bandwagon before doing a little more digging. You may ultimately be paying union dues to a union with a different name but your money may still end up in the IBT's pockets. Don't do something boneheaded.

 

[Grizz]

The eventual goal of ASAP is to complete the separation already underway from Local 284 in Columbus. ASAP will still be part of the Teamsters and as such will fall under the Airline Division. However, the local executive board wil retain control of spending, strategic planning and operations. Pilots will control their own destiny rather than having a fat trucker in charge.

This will be the same type of arrangement that Local 1224 has - the Airborne Express pilots. They are very happy now - ask one of them about their representation. They control their dues and how they are spent and they still have the backing of the IBT legal and research team. It really is the best situation for us.

As to Don Treichler, he has carried through on every promise made since the election of ASAP candidates to the MEC. He has blocked Local 284 from using non-elected business agents to sell us down the river. He may not be the ideal guy to have as your next step up the chain but so far he's been pulling his weight.

In the next few days, we'll open up a Flight Options forum on http://www.asapflightdeck.com for pilots that want to discuss Flight Options, ASAP, organizing or whatever you desire. It will only be open to Flight Options pilots. The ASAP MEC and Stewards will have access to answer questions from Flight Options pilots. It will be an anonymous board between users, so no one has to worry about being "outted" for being supportive of a union drive. Look for an announcement on Monday or Tuesday as where to go to sign-up for it.

 

[waveoff]

Ah, i see now...

Thanks for clearing up my confusion, Grizz.

 

[TurboHonda]

All FLOPS Pilots

Before the week is over every black/blue berry should receive one of the following messages.

__________________________________________________ _______________
Attention Fellow Pilot:

An opportunity exists to have a say in your future. Details can be found at the following websites.

http://pub97.ezboard.com/brtapilots

http://www.asapflightdeck.com/
__________________________________________________ _______________
OR if you prefer
__________________________________________________ _______________

Attention Fellow Pilot:

A clandestine operation is underway to change our company, as we know it. Details can be found at the following websites.

http://pub97.ezboard.com/brtapilots

http://www.asapflightdeck.com/
__________________________________________________ _______________
If you have access to an obscure email account that you feel comfortable using, start sending these out to every 4 letter identifier @ flightoptions. com that you know. Use the crew schedule for all the various fleets. The only way this will work (or be defeated) is if everyone knows.

Good Luck