ASA = Weak

[No Delay]

I just wrote this on another thread. But I am pissed the feel it deserves it own thread.

I have got to say this pilot group is weak.

Everyone starts these threads about losing a/c and not getting a contract.

It's your fault! It's my fault! Don't blame ALPA. Blame yourself and blame the pilot sitting next to you in the crew lounge. Let ALPA negotiate our contract. Let the CNC do their job. They will take care of their part. We need to be doing our part...We should be making the company WANT to negotiate with us.

We left ATL last night and the ramp was empty! There should have been a ton of airplanes with write ups. Everyone wants to b i t c h but no one wants to sacrifice..."it will just take away my time at the hotel", "I don't want to be stranded at an out station" (Freedom legs excluded).

For the record - We were late last night because of mtc.

Shut up and write it up! I am not saying make stuff up. If you tell me everything on that airplane is good...I'm saying you did a poor preflight.

Don't pick up that d a m n radio asking for stuff.
Quit walking up to the gate to get the release.
Quit calling Flight control to adjust the fuel numbers when the fueler shorts it
Quit flying sick and tired !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FMLA

I have said it before...everytime I read a letter on Flica from BL, CT, or SH, it makes me SICK. Makes my stomach turn. I can't fly feeling like that!

If you want to play your "Professional" card and tell be about customer satisfaction...fine! Completion factor and on-time performance is the only 2 phrases that management hears, cares, or understands.

 

[TOOL CRIB]

How can we take someone named "No Delay" seriously when he/she starts preaching to us to delay our flights?

 

[No Delay]

Good point!

No Delay only applies to:

"No delay down to 3500' - short approach" &

"No delay - cross 27R - Ground .75"

 

[ohplease!]

Good point!

No Delay only applies to:

"No delay down to 3500' - short approach" &

"No delay - cross 27R - Ground .75"

still helping ASA management "get 'er done"....thought you'd be the type to reply "unable" just to make your point by shooting the "full approach" or "long final" and "need progressive taxi"...you're dissapointing your buddies by being in such a hurry. You should set a better example for them.

 

[Beergut]

As bad as things have been lately I don't think the company would recognize any pilot "self-help" program. I'm pissed too but I've been late on almost every leg without even trying. And I've had plenty of mx write-ups w/o having to "find" anything. I can't remember the last time I flew a plane without any MEL items on the release. This company runs so poorly now that I honestly don't think management would recognize any "movement". The airline shrinking is all part of the game. JA knows he can't give us anything w/o having to give it to SKYW pilots as well. And any improvements they get will be from the sweat off of our backs and JA's effort to keep ALPA off the property. It's just gonna suck for awhile.

 

[atlcrjdriver]

We left ATL last night and the ramp was empty! There should have been a ton of airplanes with write ups. Everyone wants to b i t c h but no one wants to sacrifice..."it will just take away my time at the hotel", "I don't want to be stranded at an out station" (Freedom legs excluded).

So we should should "help the cause" at all txs except freedom flights b/c then that would hurt us and we can't do that but we can screw the pax at all other txs/legs. Did I read that correctly? If you want to delay flights and hurt o/t performance you are working way to hard, ATC is already doing a great job for you. Ie GDP/EDCT

Why would I want to see a ramp full of a/c at nght in ATL? That would only increase the chance that my gate isn't open b/c some dumb a** wrote up a burn out light in his chart holder.

 

[John Pennekamp]

So we should should "help the cause" at all txs except freedom flights b/c then that would hurt us and we can't do that but we can screw the pax at all other txs/legs. Did I read that correctly? If you want to delay flights and hurt o/t performance you are working way to hard, ATC is already doing a great job for you. Ie GDP/EDCT

Why would I want to see a ramp full of a/c at nght in ATL? That would only increase the chance that my gate isn't open b/c some dumb a** wrote up a burn out light in his chart holder.

Yes, it's all about YOU and YOUR gate and YOUR freedom leg. Great teamwork there, junior. Is a chart light required? Is it on the MEL? If it's broke and you don't write it up, and the feds ramp you you get violated. Why would you risk your career over something that stupid? DON'T FLY BROKEN AIRPLANES, STUPID!!!

 

[No Delay]

Originally Posted by atlcrjdriver
So we should should "help the cause" at all txs except freedom flights b/c then that would hurt us and we can't do that but we can screw the pax at all other txs/legs.

Exactly! No, "Freedom leg" was just being funny. Honestly, I would do it on any flight / leg.


Yeah, ATL sucks. Sucks even worse right now with the runway closure. I think that makes for an even more perfect time.

Hey, I understand that not everyone takes this type of attitude. Fine. Just don't bash ALPA. I will let my MEC / CNC do their job. I am just saying we need to participate - in a language the management understands and listens to.

 

[scarlet]

ALPA is fighting a bigger fight than you know !! FROM NATIONAL LEVEL....they want 2200 pilots at skywest 2%....and we are losing thanks to their GREED!!!

 

[scarlet]

Why would skywest want a union? The guys that have lefted here and gone to skywest that I know---say they will never vote for ALPA over there..??

ASA pilots come on here and bash and bash each other and the company and the union, I am sure that is the kind of people Skywest pilots want to become!!!

 

[cushman_500]

Why would skywest want a union? The guys that have lefted here and gone to skywest that I know---say they will never vote for ALPA over there..??

ASA pilots come on here and bash and bash each other and the company and the union, I am sure that is the kind of people Skywest pilots want to become!!!

Sure they won't vote ALPA in, they will just continue to get screwed by receiving 50 seat pay for the 50, 70 and 90. They will enjoy being at management's whim without any protection. And our pilots will continue to go there in droves just so they can be at the bottom of the list, get first year pay, and not see any profit sharing or bonuses for 2 years.

You have to open your eyes and see that the only ones who have gone to Skywest are brand new to two year FOs that have nothing to lose. They are willing to go because it won't make a difference. And many are leaving because they actually live out west.

It is people like you who think they really know what is actually going on, except you never actually looked to see what is going on.

It is you who is killing this industry by accepting that which management would love to force down our thoat openly.

You are the problem, not the solution. You need to shut up or ship out.

 

[atrdriver]

Personally I was late every leg on my last 3 day, not because of anything that we did as a crew. We parked at D36 EVERY leg, and changed aircraft to one leaving out of C35. EVERY LEG. All with 50 minute turns. And I only make one call, and do not go find the release. That's not my job. I come to work to do my job, which is to fly these passengers safely from point A to B. That's all. If it's broke, it's getting wrote up. If it's late, that's life. There is nothing I can do to fix this abortion. I will do my job, to the best of my ability, and that is all I will do.

 

[TOOL CRIB]

Yes, it's all about YOU and YOUR gate and YOUR freedom leg. Great teamwork there, junior. Is a chart light required? Is it on the MEL? If it's broke and you don't write it up, and the feds ramp you you get violated. Why would you risk your career over something that stupid? DON'T FLY BROKEN AIRPLANES, STUPID!!!

This guy is preaching teamwork on this thread while on another thread he writes

"Aren't you an FO? Guess what, if you're my FO, you'll do whatever I tell you to do. If you don't like that, go see a chief pilot and roll the dice. You won't have a good reputation or a pleasant career once you go down that road with a senior captain."

Sorry, but you've lost all credibility with me JP

 

[scarlet]

cushman---

You really help the morale I tell you. You really hurt my feelings too!
I could care less about what you think I am!!!! GOT IT!!!! I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR OPINIONS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And yes the several people I know had over 4 years seniority..... I forgot you know it all !!! And they love it there !! Check out the rates at jetblue, NW, DL, CAL...airlinepilotcentral.!!!!

 

[ohplease!]

This guy is preaching teamwork on this thread while on another thread he writes

"Aren't you an FO? Guess what, if you're my FO, you'll do whatever I tell you to do. If you don't like that, go see a chief pilot and roll the dice. You won't have a good reputation or a pleasant career once you go down that road with a senior captain."

Sorry, but you've lost all credibility with me JP

two words for JP....anger management.

 

[ohplease!]

Sure they won't vote ALPA in, they will just continue to get screwed by receiving 50 seat pay for the 50, 70 and 90. They will enjoy being at management's whim without any protection. And our pilots will continue to go there in droves just so they can be at the bottom of the list, get first year pay, and not see any profit sharing or bonuses for 2 years.

....and upgrade in 2 years or less and double their pay, all the while getting their PIC and moving on if thats what they choose to do.....

 

[HarryParatestes]

....and upgrade in 2 years or less and double their pay, all the while getting their PIC and moving on if thats what they choose to do.....

PIC will mean nothing unless the Major's are hiring. FEDEX and CAL are the only ones I can think of that are currently hiring now (there may be more). But upgrading, IOE, reserve, line flying, 1000+ hrs all equal more than a year away at least. Who's to say who is hiring.

If you're very junior and live out west, I say go for it. Seniority is everything. Lose it and you start all over.

 

[cushman_500]

Argh..i just don't care anymore

 

[ohplease!]

PIC will mean nothing unless the Major's are hiring. FEDEX and CAL are the only ones I can think of that are currently hiring now (there may be more). But upgrading, IOE, reserve, line flying, 1000+ hrs all equal more than a year away at least. Who's to say who is hiring.

If you're very junior and live out west, I say go for it. Seniority is everything. Lose it and you start all over.

I'm talking 2,3,4 + years down the road. the majors WILL be hiring again and the ones getting the PIC will be in pos. to be hired if thats what they choose to do...the ones at ASA that stay in the right seat another 1,2,3 +years will not be in the position to make that choice.