ASA unstacking next month?

[wms]

There were xe pilots doing paper bids in IAD the other day. We haven't done that in years. The PBS at ASA is the best way to bid, period. But unless the company gets it In arbitration, I wouldn't get too comfy with it. Xe pilots aren't for it and the company's typical under-handed ways have doomed it.

 

[79%N1]

Paper bids??? I don't think ASA has had that for 10 years? Do XJT guys not even bid on computer with some sort of sorting function?

 

[cybourg10]

Paper bids??? I don't think ASA has had that for 10 years? Do XJT guys not even bid on computer with some sort of sorting function?

It is all done online. They printed out the bid packet PDF file to look through the lines.

 

[dojetdriver]

There were xe pilots doing paper bids in IAD the other day. We haven't done that in years. The PBS at ASA is the best way to bid, period. But unless the company gets it In arbitration, I wouldn't get too comfy with it. Xe pilots aren't for it and the company's typical under-handed ways have doomed it.

Paper bids??? I don't think ASA has had that for 10 years? Do XJT guys not even bid on computer with some sort of sorting function?

It is all done online. They printed out the bid packet PDF file to look through the lines.

What cybourg10 said.

And yes, we have a sort function with a literal sh1t ton of parameters that can be plugged in to narrow down the lines. And when that's done, you can then go in and edit it before it bids for you.

And just like the ASA PBS software, you can even set up a standing bid, just in case you forget, you're on vacation with no internet access, etc.

In the words of Cee Lo Green, "aint that some sh1t, ain't that some sh1t......"

 

[OCP]

What cybourg10 said.

And yes, we have a sort function with a literal sh1t ton of parameters that can be plugged in to narrow down the lines. And when that's done, you can then go in and edit it before it bids for you.

And just like the ASA PBS software, you can even set up a standing bid, just in case you forget, you're on vacation with no internet access, etc.

In the words of Cee Lo Green, "aint that some sh1t, ain't that some sh1t......"

I know you don't care, but as a 9 year CA in ATL, bottom 350 out of 400, I get weekend days off. Even complete weekends off. I get to fly through cities that I like (MEM). I get long over nights, I get no more than 5 legs on any day and no more than 3 on my last day. All with this horrible PBS stuff. There are still plenty of trips to trade if I don't like what I got, which I have also done. If you have ANY seniority you should be able to kill with this stuff.

 

[dojetdriver]

I know you don't care, but as a 9 year CA in ATL, bottom 350 out of 400, I get weekend days off. Even complete weekends off. I get to fly through cities that I like (MEM). I get long over nights, I get no more than 5 legs on any day and no more than 3 on my last day. All with this horrible PBS stuff. There are still plenty of trips to trade if I don't like what I got, which I have also done. If you have ANY seniority you should be able to kill with this stuff.

Actually, the point of what you quoted was to dispel the myth that XJT still "paper bids". I mean, really? Do some people believe that? As well as to answer about the sorting system.

As far as the bolded part goes. That's the beauty of the XJT line bid ILIW/SLIW system. Even WITHOUT any seniority, you can "kill with this stuff".

Unstacking isn't a factor.

It's OK, I know you don't care.

 

[nerjdriver]

It is all done online. They printed out the bid packet PDF file to look through the lines.

Yep and we have software that lets you sort the bid packet in any number of ways. IE show time, release time, block time, days on, days off, how many days off in a row, desired and avoid overnights, tafb, type of trips so on and so on and so on. Were not in the stone age guys, we do line bidding with a pdf bid packet and software to sort the pack. Its actually really really nice.

 

[nerjdriver]

Actually, the point of what you quoted was to dispel the myth that XJT still "paper bids". I mean, really? Do some people believe that? As well as to answer about the sorting system.

As far as the bolded part goes. That's the beauty of the XJT line bid ILIW/SLIW system. Even WITHOUT any seniority, you can "kill with this stuff".

Unstacking isn't a factor.

It's OK, I know you don't care.

Yep you have every opportunity to change your schedule and get what you need! It works most of the time as there is a massive amount of open time to work with (usually). Our bidding system is SUPERIOR to any PBS system period.

 

[nerjdriver]

I know you don't care, but as a 9 year CA in ATL, bottom 350 out of 400, I get weekend days off. Even complete weekends off. I get to fly through cities that I like (MEM). I get long over nights, I get no more than 5 legs on any day and no more than 3 on my last day. All with this horrible PBS stuff. There are still plenty of trips to trade if I don't like what I got, which I have also done. If you have ANY seniority you should be able to kill with this stuff.

So do you think that only the top 5 pilots per seat here get that stuff. You need to educate yourself man. Im in the bottom half of FOs, get weekends off, as well as 16-18 days off a month. Come on man, you guys act like PBS is a lost relic of Jesus Christ himself!

 

[veneratio]

you will have a chance to vote PBS out soon...

 

[Plainsman]

Maybe we should keep the pbs base system, but take control of construction from the company. That way, one can complain only to ALPA and not the company. ALPA wouldn't have a way to pass the buck. I sure am going to like the new blood comming this way. I hope some of the politics can go by the wayside.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Maybe we should keep the pbs base system, but take control of construction from the company. That way, one can complain only to ALPA and not the company. ALPA wouldn't have a way to pass the buck. I sure am going to like the new blood comming this way. I hope some of the politics can go by the wayside.

Uh... Hello... ALPA already builds the pairings.

 

[Plainsman]

Uh...Well then tell us what needs to be done. ALPA is doing some sucking somewhere. This in its present form will not make it I don't care how it gets people off reserve.

 

[Noise]

Uh... Hello... ALPA already builds the pairings.

Close, ALPA builds pairings for each month, as does the company, but it is the company who decides which set of pairings are used. IIRC, ALPA's pairings have been used only once so far.

 

[wms]

If PBS is voted out it will still be Flica. Or skedplus.

With PBS I build a week off each month and turn one week vaca into 20 days. And a junior person can do it with PBS. He doesn't have to hope for a line that will work.

 

[wms]

Yep you have every opportunity to change your schedule and get what you need! It works most of the time as there is a massive amount of open time to work with (usually). Our bidding system is SUPERIOR to any PBS system period.

You might vote out PBS, but the company chooses the bid system and it won't be what you have now.

 

[centralpilot]

...but the company chooses the bid system and it won't be what you have now.

Says who? A specific line bidding system can be negotiated for just like our PBS vendor was.

 

[www.]

Says who? A specific line bidding system can be negotiated for just like our PBS vendor was.

And what are you going to give for it?

 

[centralpilot]

And what are you going to give for it?

I'm not a negotiator. I'll judge any future TA as a total package and I'm not opposed to PBS with some work rule fixes. My point was that the notion that "the company chooses the bidding system and it won't be what [XJT] has now" is preposterous. While ASA changed our line bidding program from FLiCA to CrewBid prior to the PBS negotiations, that doens't mean we couldn't have contract language to prevent that. We chose the PBS vendor & the company can't change it without union consent, so there is no reason to think that we couldn't preserve the vendor of the line bidding system XJT uses if we wanted to. Anything is negotiable. It's up to the JNC to decide if that is something worth negotiating for. From XJT's position they don't really have to give anything up for it; if they vote no they preserve their status quo.

 

[crj567]

I agree. Junior guys get to work the holidays. That's the way it is. The issue is that the company WILL try and use this every month. Mgmt hasn't negotiated in good faith or operated in good faith for DECADES, and suddenly some guys are happy with PBS cause they got off reserve?

It's like the Stockholm syndrome.

Very well put.

I still cannot believe our pilot group was silly enough to vote this agreement through. Our union is partly to blame. Awful corruption-no other excuse for that dishonest sales job.

-Completely shameful.. Our union (the one we used to believe in) is gone. (Just look at how many long-timers have resigned or been forced out in the last couple of years.)