ASA unstacking next month?

[bigshooter107]

Just the saw the E mail from ALPA, thoughts, comments, anyone? Did not realize they could wipe an entire awarded schedule clean then rebuild it to fit company needs.

 

[Roger Dat]

First week on the job????

You should know by now they can pretty much do what ever the FU!K they want to with us.....Great Union we have

 

[Flyguy1226]

I just hope next month will be better than this month, the amount of open time and reserves is just ridiculous!!!

 

[johnpeace]

I just hope next month will be better than this month, the amount of open time and reserves is just ridiculous!!!

Zero basis for hoping that...we aren't even adequately staffed for a September drawdown, much less summertime increase and covering Comair/Pinnacle flights. Enjoy the extra hours.

 

[COOPERVANE]

The company is laughing at all of us idiot pilots for voting in this pile of crap PBS.

Well played. They are getting EXACTLY what they wanted.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Just the saw the E mail from ALPA, thoughts, comments, anyone? Did not realize they could wipe an entire awarded schedule clean then rebuild it to fit company needs.

Learn the system. Only the bottom 30% in a regular month, or 50% in a "holiday" month can be unstacked.

Last I checked, the bottom 30% had to work on weekends in a line bidding environment.

 

[jstyle13]

Ya I get the feeling that the "unstack" option will be used every month from here on out as a way for the company to create schedules without having to hire more to cover the flying. I still think the company thought PBS would allow them to staff with current numbers, but the reality has been anything but.

I can't wait to see how the 3rd week of June turns out in DTW. Bout 20 3-4 days in open time that will have to be covered. I know they are already TDY'ing guys up from ATL, guess DTW is gonna go just like IAD has for the last 2 years. Awesome.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

The company is laughing at all of us idiot pilots for voting in this pile of crap PBS.

Well played. They are getting EXACTLY what they wanted.

So you think the company WANTS to have trips uncovered and be short staffed every weekend month after month? The level of delusion is amazing around here.

I'd be willing to bet that some in that office would be willing to put PBS back on the shelf after this little test run.

 

[COOPERVANE]

So you think the company WANTS to have trips uncovered and be short staffed every weekend month after month? The level of delusion is amazing around here.

I think what the company WANTS is complete control over 30-50% of their work force. Basically one gigantic pool of reserves.

Very flexible. They are just incompetent in managing resources. If 100% of us were on reserve they couldn't manage it.

 

[dojetdriver]

I ain't flaming you Cooper, nor central. I look forward to working with guys like you two, as well as welcome your input on the XJT message board as you both seem to be pretty level headed dudes. Just using your posts to make points.

The company is laughing at all of us idiot pilots for voting in this pile of crap PBS.

Well played. They are getting EXACTLY what they wanted.

Simple math tells me that we do indeed need to sell XJT on PBS if we decide we want to keep it.

Simple math tells me that if the unstacking language remains, as well as a whole slew of other language in the ASA PBS LOA, it can be "sold" all day long. Probably won't be bought though.

You're right. If the schedules had been bad maxcackal, CRJ567, coopervane etc etc would have all be here at full force with their 'xjet are you watching?' rhetoric. All is quiet on their end now.

Yep, we're watching. So far, not too impressed.

Not exaggerating. Plus, there is no need to sell the XJT guys on PBS, because they're getting it anyway

See above, might be a "tough sell".

Exactly. Absolutely no way will ASA pilots want to go back to line bidding after getting a taste of PBS

I think the jury may be out on this one, kinda early to tell for sure. Maybe as a clarification, ASA pilots may not want to go back to the way ASA ran line bidding.

 

[brokedash]

Ya I get the feeling that the "unstack" option will be used every month from here on out as a way for the company to create schedules without having to hire more to cover the flying. I still think the company thought PBS would allow them to staff with current numbers, but the reality has been anything but.

I can't wait to see how the 3rd week of June turns out in DTW. Bout 20 3-4 days in open time that will have to be covered. I know they are already TDY'ing guys up from ATL, guess DTW is gonna go just like IAD has for the last 2 years. Awesome.

What about the, "Anywhere but ATL," crowd?

 

[OCP]

I ain't flaming you Cooper, nor central. I look forward to working with guys like you two, as well as welcome your input on the XJT message board as you both seem to be pretty level headed dudes. Just using your posts to make points.





Simple math tells me that if the unstacking language remains, as well as a whole slew of other language in the ASA PBS LOA, it can be "sold" all day long. Probably won't be bought though.



Yep, we're watching. So far, not too impressed.



See above, might be a "tough sell".



I think the jury may be out on this one, kinda early to tell for sure. Maybe as a clarification, ASA pilots may not want to go back to the way ASA ran line bidding.

Just FYI if you look at most of the posts that involve these few who bash the PBS system so much, there are about 10 others in those same posts who like the system. These two are just more vocal on this board than others.

 

[johnpeace]

I want out...you guys can have it.

 

[centralpilot]

I think the jury may be out on this one, kinda early to tell for sure. Maybe as a clarification, ASA pilots may not want to go back to the way ASA ran line bidding.

There is a lot to like about PBS thus far. I've had superior schedules (senior in category) every month since PBS began and have been able to arrange some irregular schedules that line bidding would never allow without significant trip trading after the final awards. However, it is clear that there are shortcomings in some of the associated work rules. Despite my improved schedules I won't be inclined to vote in favor of a TA with PBS without significant contract language improvement. Having read the XJT work rules I fully expect the bar for a PBS "yes" vote to be even higher for you guys. I think it is possible to craft work rules that will preserve the best of both systems, but if the TA language isn't acceptable (and free of loop holes) I'll be joining the XJT "no" votes.

 

[centralpilot]

Did not realize they could wipe an entire awarded schedule clean then rebuild it to fit company needs.

Clearly you didn't pay enough attention when LOA 11 was up for a vote. I don't know how you voted, but there are quite a few pilots who voted "yes" without reading the fine print. Personally, I was okay with the unstacking language for the most part. Someone has to work the holidays. However, I'm surprised at how many pilots are expressing outrage as if the unstacking language hasn't been there all along.

While I'm okay with unstacking for its intended purpose, I have a much bigger problem with the company trying to use unstacking in a non-holiday month to deal with poor staffing decisions (as they wanted to do in June). I also have a big problem with the reserve percentage continuing to creep upward with the union's blessing.

 

[COOPERVANE]

While I'm okay with unstacking for its intended purpose, I have a much bigger problem with the company trying to use unstacking in a non-holiday month to deal with poor staffing decisions (as they wanted to do in June). I also have a big problem with the reserve percentage continuing to creep upward with the union's blessing.

I agree. Junior guys get to work the holidays. That's the way it is. The issue is that the company WILL try and use this every month. Mgmt hasn't negotiated in good faith or operated in good faith for DECADES, and suddenly some guys are happy with PBS cause they got off reserve?

It's like the Stockholm syndrome.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Clearly you didn't pay enough attention when LOA 11 was up for a vote. I don't know how you voted, but there are quite a few pilots who voted "yes" without reading the fine print. Personally, I was okay with the unstacking language for the most part. Someone has to work the holidays. However, I'm surprised at how many pilots are expressing outrage as if the unstacking language hasn't been there all along.

While I'm okay with unstacking for its intended purpose, I have a much bigger problem with the company trying to use unstacking in a non-holiday month to deal with poor staffing decisions (as they wanted to do in June). I also have a big problem with the reserve percentage continuing to creep upward with the union's blessing.

The problem is that we are better staffed, from a pilot per aircraft basis, than we have ever been. Remember when we had so many pilots that all reserves sat around all the time? We had around the number of pilots per aircraft we have now. So why are we having open time issues on weekends? It has something to do with the PBS language. I don't profess to know what that something is.

I don't think unstacking is a big deal. It allows for the bottom 30% to fly weekends, which is exactly what line bidding does. I think the point is all moot anyway since XJT doesn't want it, and since it is screwing up the staffing model they may just get their wish.

 

[maxcackel]

Clearly you didn't pay enough attention when LOA 11 was up for a vote. I don't know how you voted, but there are quite a few pilots who voted "yes" without reading the fine print. Personally, I was okay with the unstacking language for the most part. Someone has to work the holidays. However, I'm surprised at how many pilots are expressing outrage as if the unstacking language hasn't been there all along.

While I'm okay with unstacking for its intended purpose, I have a much bigger problem with the company trying to use unstacking in a non-holiday month to deal with poor staffing decisions (as they wanted to do in June). I also have a big problem with the reserve percentage continuing to creep upward with the union's blessing.

People had blinders on looking at PBS while ignoring the crap LOA that controls it.

 

[blesko]

Zero basis for hoping that...we aren't even adequately staffed for a September drawdown, much less summertime increase and covering Comair/Pinnacle flights. Enjoy the extra hours.

Yup, esp when they turn all the XJT IAD flying back over to them in the fall. (Total rumor here but...this is FI).

 

[nerjdriver]

First week on the job????

You should know by now they can pretty much do what ever the FU!K they want to with us.....Great Union we have

Then you have an out. Dont support it in the JCBA! You guys at ASA really need to educate yourselves on what we do at XJT... it is NOT the bidding system you guys had prior to PBS. Were doing our part now you do yours.