ASA transferring Sims to SkyWest, furloughing IP's

[ASARJMan]

I was told that the strike was needed to get a cooling off period. I was also told that it didn't really mean we would strike. I was told it was to send a message to management. Which is true? Wasn't the strike vote so we could get a cooling off period? It wasn't a bluff was it?

The strike vote was taken to show the company that the pilots are behind and support the negotiating comm and the MEC. The NMB makes a determination when we would be released into a cooling off period. 30 days after the coolong off period ends, we then could go out on strike, or do a CHAOS program like the NWA F/As are planning. Man, don't you read any of the material the MEC has sent/mailed you?

VOTED IN FAVOR!

 

[ASADriver]

The strike vote was taken to show the company that the pilots are behind and support the negotiating comm and the MEC. The NMB makes a determination when we would be released into a cooling off period. 30 days after the coolong off period ends, we then could go out on strike, or do a CHAOS program like the NWA F/As are planning. Man, don't you read any of the material the MEC has sent/mailed you?

VOTED IN FAVOR!

Then why aren't we getting released into a cooling off period? We voted to strike, why isn't the NMB releasing us? I do read the stuff ALPA sends me, and I understand that the NMB has to put us in a cooling off period. I just don't understand why we aren't released and why we are meeting "unofficially" which doesn't seem to count. I feel like ALPA is jacking us around, while Skywest gets our aircraft.

 

[HoserASA]

I feel like ALPA is jacking us around, while Skywest gets our aircraft.

Hey, ever think the company is jacking us around? Until management makes a substancial counter-offer, the NMB won't even allow us to meet. And, we can not go out on strike until the NMB allows us to. It's the law, like asarjman says. These unofficial meetings are a way for the company to feel our ALPA leaders out, and try to get around the NMB. Maybe something positive will come out of them, but so far it hasn't.

Listen man, contact your ALPA reps with your concerns. They have phones, email, etc for you to do so. They want to hear from you. Posting here really gets you nowhere, unless you're just doing this for amusement. Maybe you're management, I dunno.

Hoser
P2P

 

[ASADriver]

Hey, ever think the company is jacking us around? Until management makes a substancial counter-offer, the NMB won't even allow us to meet. And, we can not go out on strike until the NMB allows us to. It's the law, like asarjman says. These unofficial meetings are a way for the company to feel our ALPA leaders out, and try to get around the NMB. Maybe something positive will come out of them, but so far it hasn't.

Listen man, contact your ALPA reps with your concerns. They have phones, email, etc for you to do so. They want to hear from you. Posting here really gets you nowhere, unless you're just doing this for amusement. Maybe you're management, I dunno.

Hoser
P2P

Hey, ever think ALPA is jacking us around? Management did give us a substancial counter-offer. 3 negotiating committee member have told me that the offer was made. They also said we said no because of PBS. That is unacceptable. I don't trust ALPA. I have spoken to ALPA reps, and I think they are on their own agenda. They are going to take us all down with them.

What is with this "contact your reps" BS. We do, and we aren't happy about what they are saying. Besides, why can't ALPA put out their position in writing to every member? Are they afraid to say what they are holding out for?

 

[sweptback]

Hey, ever think ALPA is jacking us around? Management did give us a substancial counter-offer. 3 negotiating committee member have told me that the offer was made. They also said we said no because of PBS. That is unacceptable. I don't trust ALPA. I have spoken to ALPA reps, and I think they are on their own agenda. They are going to take us all down with them.

Until an offer is made to the NMB, no official offer has taken place.

You know this, and yet you keep spreading lies.

Management would prefer to negotiate without the NMB because they really don't care to negotiate. They'd rather dictate terms, and that is not the way things work.

All that management has to do is pick up the phone, call the mediator, and say they have an offer to pass along. The mediator will then call ALPA with the offer. This has not happened. Therefore, no offer has been exchanged.

 

[ASADriver]

Until an offer is made to the NMB, no official offer has taken place.

You know this, and yet you keep spreading lies.

Management would prefer to negotiate without the NMB because they really don't care to negotiate. They'd rather dictate terms, and that is not the way things work.

All that management has to do is pick up the phone, call the mediator, and say they have an offer to pass along. The mediator will then call ALPA with the offer. This has not happened. Therefore, no offer has been exchanged.

So why doesn't ALPA put this out officially to the pilots? All they have to say is "any negotiantions outside of the NMB don't count." They aren't saying that however. The negotiators are saying that the deal was declined because of PBS. Which is it! Quit lying to us. The negotiators are saying it was because of PBS. One of the MEC members says the offer was recinded. Some of the P2P people say it doesn't count because it wasn't with the mediator. The story keeps changing and some of us are tired of being lied to.

 

[Bizjet]

So why doesn't ALPA put this out officially to the pilots? All they have to say is "any negotiantions outside of the NMB don't count." They aren't saying that however. The negotiators are saying that the deal was declined because of PBS. Which is it! Quit lying to us. The negotiators are saying it was because of PBS. One of the MEC members says the offer was recinded. Some of the P2P people say it doesn't count because it wasn't with the mediator. The story keeps changing and some of us are tired of being lied to.

And most of us doing the work are tired of your pro management lies as well! If you can't understand the difference between a Supposal and an offer made in actual negotiations you are truly too dense to ever understand. I think everyone gets it and you will never get it. Ask BW to explain this to you. Asking the same question everytime and expecting a different answer usually is a veiled attempt to influence the out come of your agenda? So tell us all so we can understand what your agenda actually is. Pro Management? Self serving? ASA Manager? Anti-ALPA? ALL the above?

 

[ASADriver]

And most of us doing the work are tired of your pro management lies as well! If you can't understand the difference between a Supposal and an offer made in actual negotiations you are truly too dense to ever understand. I think everyone gets it and you will never get it. Ask BW to explain this to you. Asking the same question everytime and expecting a different answer usually is a veiled attempt to influence the out come of your agenda? So tell us all so we can understand what your agenda actually is. Pro Management? Self serving? ASA Manager? Anti-ALPA? ALL the above?

What is ALPA's agenda? Is ALPA doing what is in my best interest?

 

[Bizjet]

What is ALPA's agenda? Is ALPA doing what is in my best interest?

If ALPA was following the agenda of the miniority you wouldn't be asking all of these stupid questions. Since ALPA is following the will of the majority you will likely never be happy with answers to your questions. Again your agenda is Pro Management, Anti-ALPA, Self Serving, ASA Manager?? Still waiting for your answer!!

 

[ASADriver]

If ALPA was following the agenda of the miniority you wouldn't be asking all of these stupid questions. Since ALPA is following the will of the majority you will likely never be happy with answers to your questions. Again your agenda is Pro Management, Anti-ALPA, Self Serving, ASA Manager?? Still waiting for your answer!!

Still waiting for your answer. What are ALPA's goals? I don't believe ALPA is following the will of the majority. The offers, whether they are unofficial or not, are probably acceptable to the majority. How do we know that the leadership is actually following the will of the majority?

 

[Bizjet]

Still waiting for your answer. What are ALPA's goals? I don't believe ALPA is following the will of the majority. The offers, whether they are unofficial or not, are probably acceptable to the majority. How do we know that the leadership is actually following the will of the majority?

You will just have to trust management then. We means your 5,6 or 7 out of 10????

 

[ASADriver]

You will just have to trust management then. We means your 5,6 or 7 out of 10????

You must be ALPA. Deflecting the question. What are our goals in terms of pay, retirement, etc. Sounds like we are still asking for a lot but not wanting to admit it to the membership.

 

[Bizjet]

You must be ALPA. Deflecting the question. What are our goals in terms of pay, retirement, etc. Sounds like we are still asking for a lot but not wanting to admit it to the membership.

You are ALPA too, that is if you are actually a member. Is your agenda Self Serving, Anti-ALPA, Pro Management or ASA Manager? If you are a member you need to start reading all the information that has been provided for members who want to follow what is going on. Surely, you can't be a line pilot and be so codependent on others for personal briefings. If you are a Captain you should start acting like one and dig out this information just like you do when you fly the line and need answers to stupid ASA policy that you are obligated to follow.

 

[WorldOnTime]

You must be ALPA. Deflecting the question. What are our goals in terms of pay, retirement, etc. Sounds like we are still asking for a lot but not wanting to admit it to the membership.

Go read the contract openers that came out several years ago. Then follow that up with all of the reading you were supposed to be doing from your MEC. Between that and the results of the polling that they have done you should be able to figure out what the majority wants. Or maybe you won't....

 

[ArcticFlier]

Sounds like ASADriver is confused. Who represents you? Herndon or your MEC? You are confusing ALPA National's agenda with the agenda of ALPA at your local level, but I suspect you know that and are just trying to stir the pot.

Your vote to strike, as you put it, was an authorization vote. It gave your MEC permission to call for a strike. It's not a vote to strike. Do I have that right?


AF

 

[ASADriver]

Sounds like ASADriver is confused. Who represents you? Herndon or your MEC? You are confusing ALPA National's agenda with the agenda of ALPA at your local level, but I suspect you know that and are just trying to stir the pot.

Your vote to strike, as you put it, was an authorization vote. It gave your MEC permission to call for a strike. It's not a vote to strike. Do I have that right?


AF

I'm not sure who is representing me. Two members of our negotiating committee said an offer was made that had most of what we wanted, but also had pref. bidding, so we said no. Then today at our LEC meeting, they said no offer like that was made. Let's just say there isn't alot of trust here and I'm not the only one.

 

[Bizjet]

I'm not sure who is representing me. Two members of our negotiating committee said an offer was made that had most of what we wanted, but also had pref. bidding, so we said no. Then today at our LEC meeting, they said no offer like that was made. Let's just say there isn't alot of trust here and I'm not the only one.

ASA Management is controlling your agenda. They asked for these informal talks to remain confidential unless there was agreements in principal that could result in additional talks. They then go about using pilots like you to start leaking information that they had requested to remain confidential. Congratulations on your new job as management Neal! Now I know your Agenda.

 

[Turkey Shoot]

ASA Management is controlling your agenda. They asked for these informal talks to remain confidential unless there was agreements in principal that could result in additional talks. They then go about using pilots like you to start leaking information that they had requested to remain confidential. Congratulations on your new job as management Neal! Now I know your Agenda.

I'll be back, I gotta go make my tinfoil hat!

 

[michael707767]

I'm not sure who is representing me. Two members of our negotiating committee said an offer was made that had most of what we wanted, but also had pref. bidding, so we said no.

Is PBS really a big hang up? I gotta tell you, now that we have it I like it. I certainly would not let it be the hold up in a new contract.

 

[COOPERVANE]

The boys at SKW agenda:

1. Keep ALPA off property
2. Train new SKW pilots as quickly as possible
3. Keep ASA pilots hoping with contrite "I'm so sorry" letters, and "new equipment is coming" promise
4. Transfer assets when training nears completion
5. ASA pilots offered staple or furlough. Many, many will take the offer

We need to get a strike approved ASAP if possible. As long as it LOOKS like MGMT is negotiating, ALPA won't push for self-help because it wouldn't be "in good faith" while MGMT looks like they are talking, but really aren't. They are just stalling.

Self help now!!! Before it is too late.

SKW is training our replacements RIGHT NOW

 

[ASARJMan]

I'm not sure who is representing me. Two members of our negotiating committee said an offer was made that had most of what we wanted, but also had pref. bidding, so we said no. Then today at our LEC meeting, they said no offer like that was made. Let's just say there isn't alot of trust here and I'm not the only one.

BL represents you, you management clown! If you did indeed go to the LEC meeting, then I guess you're an ASA mole pilot for mgt. You supposedly asked your question of the neg chair, got your answer, and you're still trying to twist it around. Doesn't matter though, you're irrelevant in the big picture. The majority voted in favor of a strike, you don't count, so we'll see where this all leads. BL has screwed up ASA operations something bad, and obviously Delta through JA has motivated his lying little arse. Hopefully he won't be here by the end of summer. He can go join his 'mentor', SB, down in the islands. Maybe they'll take you with him.

We went through this same situation in '98, when Delta instructed G&J to fix the problem. Shortly after that, we had our present contract. You're a sorry mf asadriver, and if you're a pilot, you're a pathetic POS!

VOTED IN FAVOR!