ASA to still furlough?

[CFI2766]

Yes, PBS is quite efficient. I do not have an exact number but it appears that it is a 7-10% reduction in staffing with PBS.

Hey committee, can we accomplish a PBS that:

1) Doesn't cause an immediate to near term need to furlough pilots at ASA. What I mean is, can it be structured so that future attrition can decrease, if necessary, the pilot ranks at ASA? This, versus we get PBS on Monday, and have pink slips for some on Friday...

2) Doesn't cause an immediate reduction in QOL? As in, we get PBS and find that the average time away from work is decreased, or, if held the same, results in a decrease in pay.

3) Is transparent enough so that there will be no question on the awards as to which seniority can hold what schedule? I fear that a PBS that system that awards a senior guy working Christmas while a junior guy gets the holiday off, with no way to research why that happened, and then, correct it with regards to seniority.

Can we do this?

 

[FORESTGUMP]

WITH ALL DUE RESPECT--TimeOut Please--Let's try and keep this discussion free of Union vs Nonunion Rhetoric. If we could allow some free flowing discussion regarding PBS with Skywest Pilots, we may be able to effect a Transfer of Knowledge about a very important issue that we are facing.

We all know how they got there with PBS. Yes, from all accounts, AOS is the worst system out there. However, if we can educate ourselves about PBS based on their experiences, maybe we can avoid pitfalls and get a much better system than AOS--maybe even the best system available today. With their participation, maybe we can get a system that will be adopted for them also. Bottom line--we may all benefit with a little help from our friends(both sides.)

Otherwise, he can remain ignorant and in the dark and be deficient in managing our resources.

Is there value in collaboration between the parties? ABSOLUTELY! Could we all benefit down the road? Certainly! PBS is coming to ASA--in a few months or in a year or so! It is in our best interest to get edumacated using all available resources! In that spirit, let's make it work and foster an evironment for a good exchange of ideas and information so we can make intelligent decisions at some point in the near future!

First order of business: I move that Utah should be at least a Co-National Champion in NCAAFB.

excellent post!

and ditto on the Utah thing.

 

[USCtrojan]

Hey committee, can we accomplish a PBS that:

1) Doesn't cause an immediate to near term need to furlough pilots at ASA. What I mean is, can it be structured so that future attrition can decrease, if necessary, the pilot ranks at ASA? This, versus we get PBS on Monday, and have pink slips for some on Friday...

2) Doesn't cause an immediate reduction in QOL? As in, we get PBS and find that the average time away from work is decreased, or, if held the same, results in a decrease in pay.

3) Is transparent enough so that there will be no question on the awards as to which seniority can hold what schedule? I fear that a PBS that system that awards a senior guy working Christmas while a junior guy gets the holiday off, with no way to research why that happened, and then, correct it with regards to seniority.

Can we do this?

Glenn,

If you look at the past ASAConnection newsletters you will see some of your answers in them. The PBS working group showed there was an INCREASE in QOL with they way the pilot group wanted to implement PBS. Of course no details. I agree with you, I will not be for any implementation of PBS if it puts pilots on the street. I don't care what the reason. I think the Company would agree that is not what ASA intends or wants. If we furlough, it would be before any PBS is implemented, and I'm certain, if implemented will have no harmful effects on anyone currently on the property. It may delay hiring for a little while, but that is not a good reason not to implement it if it saves money and is more efficient all the way around.

Trojan

 

[CFI2766]

Glenn,

If you look at the past ASAConnection newsletters you will see some of your answers in them. The PBS working group showed there was an INCREASE in QOL with they way the pilot group wanted to implement PBS. Of course no details. I agree with you, I will not be for any implementation of PBS if it puts pilots on the street. I don't care what the reason. I think the Company would agree that is not what ASA intends or wants. If we furlough, it would be before any PBS is implemented, and I'm certain, if implemented will have no harmful effects on anyone currently on the property. It may delay hiring for a little while, but that is not a good reason not to implement it if it saves money and is more efficient all the way around.

Trojan

Sounds like we are on the same page...metaphorically and electronically.

I'd like more details from the guys

 

[lonestarpilot20]

The trips fall off if they touch your vacation, if you so choose. You still have to build back up to guarantee if you go below 75 hours. I sure don't want this option taken away from me. I have been off since the 16th of December.

That's exactly my concern. One of my last vacations I had bid Sun-Wed 4 days and to drop all conflicting. I had 17 days off in a row with 21 total for the month. I am not convinced that this possible with PBS.

Plus I like seeing where the RONs are and for how long. Mainly so I know where I will be drinking and how long I have to recover

 

[lonestarpilot20]

I hate it when I hit the button twice

 

[Andy Neill]

Plus I like seeing where the RONs are and for how long. Mainly so I know where I will be drinking and how long I have to recover

You can specify where you will (or will not) have overnights and for how long. Of course, the more restrictive you make your criteria, the less likely you will get what you ask for.

 

[sweptback]

Plus I like seeing where the RONs are and for how long. Mainly so I know where I will be drinking and how long I have to recover

The company will still publish the pairings... so then you can still look through them as you do now.

 

[Speedtape]

That's exactly my concern. One of my last vacations I had bid Sun-Wed 4 days and to drop all conflicting. I had 17 days off in a row with 21 total for the month. I am not convinced that this possible with PBS.



Maybe not--but what did your schedule look like the other 11 months of the year?

 

[Speedtape]

Hey committee, can we accomplish a PBS that:

1) Doesn't cause an immediate to near term need to furlough pilots at ASA. What I mean is, can it be structured so that future attrition can decrease, if necessary, the pilot ranks at ASA? This, versus we get PBS on Monday, and have pink slips for some on Friday...

2) Doesn't cause an immediate reduction in QOL? As in, we get PBS and find that the average time away from work is decreased, or, if held the same, results in a decrease in pay.


3) Is transparent enough so that there will be no question on the awards as to which seniority can hold what schedule? I fear that a PBS that system that awards a senior guy working Christmas while a junior guy gets the holiday off, with no way to research why that happened, and then, correct it with regards to seniority.

Can we do this?

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Vote For Pedro......and he will make all your dreams come true!

 

[GoCougs!]

Just got a call from my buddy at ASA. They're furloughing 80 as of Feb. 9.

 

[Tarzan]

Just got a call from my buddy at ASA. They're furloughing 80 as of Feb. 9.

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=119922

We landed on the moon!!!!!!

 

[bluefly72]

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=119922

We landed on the moon!!!!!!

No way!!!!