ASA to offer positions to 24 Expressjet guys

[CFI2766]

They have, and they will.

Fatigue policy needs change, as well as sick policy. Something that mirrors more what Skywest has. Which is ironic since they are the non-union carrier.

Nah, we need better than what SKYW has...It's not that great. I think we can do better.

You will never face discipline for calling in fatigued at ASA. You do open yourself up to discipline when calling in sick when you really are not sick. (I get that it's difficult to prove that you weren't sick and that the financial pressures of the current policy are bogus.)

Proration needs to go away as well as the financial pressure for fatigue calls.

Realistically, however, there will be pilots who choose to abuse any fatigue/sick policy that might be created, therefore screwing the guys who are genuinely fatigued and/or sick.

Genuine, sincere, inflammable question: Does anyone have any suggestions for a policy that encourages responsible use of fatigue/sick calls yet is fair to the pilot group?

 

[Master Shake]

How about for starters, you all adopt our fatigue/sick call policy? Either occurrence is paid out of your sick bank. A fatigue call requires filing an ASAP report, that's it. You're allowed 3 "unexcused" sick calls in a rolling 12 month period. If you want them excused, just turn in a doctor's note to your Chief and voila! Works great.

 

[Baronman]

How about for starters, you all adopt our fatigue/sick call policy? Either occurrence is paid out of your sick bank. A fatigue call requires filing an ASAP report, that's it. You're allowed 3 "unexcused" sick calls in a rolling 12 month period. If you want them excused, just turn in a doctor's note to your Chief and voila! Works great.

I thought it was 4 unexcused sick calls?

 

[Stifler's Mom]

I thought it was 4 unexcused sick calls?

Uh oh, better get a doctor's note pronto.

 

[Master Shake]

Nope. It has always been 3 in a rolling 12 month period. The 4th gets you a CP letter inquiring about your health. The 5th is a meeting with the CP. The 6th, well, we don't talk about the 6th.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Nope. It has always been 3 in a rolling 12 month period. The 4th gets you a CP letter inquiring about your health. The 5th is a meeting with the CP. The 6th, well, we don't talk about the 6th.

3 in 6 gets a letter. 4 in 12, 5 in 12, 6 in 12, and 7 in 12 all are letters too. 7 technically is termination, but that doesn't happen much.

 

[outtahere]

Ever, I don't know of anyone at Asa that has ever been fired for calling in sick. Not to say it couldn't happen, but as far as I know, it's never happened before for seven.

 

[atlcrashpad]

If the reason for the fatigue was the company's fault, you are paid normally. In any case, fill out a fatigue form.

I'm not sure about the docking of pay.

If the Chief Pilot you talk to is RC (Mustache Man), then it is never the Company's fault..... aint payin' ya bouy................

 

[Abernathy]

How about for starters, you all adopt our fatigue/sick call policy? Either occurrence is paid out of your sick bank. A fatigue call requires filing an ASAP report, that's it. You're allowed 3 "unexcused" sick calls in a rolling 12 month period. If you want them excused, just turn in a doctor's note to your Chief and voila! Works great.

That's worse than asa has now

 

[Av8trix616]

That's worse than asa has now

Nah, that sounds like an improvement, so long as you're legitimately sick. 3 freebies for "sickcation," and any other time in excess of that, just go see the doc for a note. While ponying up the copay to see the doc is a pain, it at least allows you to stay home and be sick when you're really sick, and not weigh "how sick am I" against "how much trouble will I get in."

Their method beats getting the nasty gram for your 4th time out, regardless of whether you're legitimately sick or not.