ASA TA summary....

[DDpaysoff]

International override of $3 per day...are you ready for this... EXCLUDING Canada and Mexico.

LOL. They are going to make a killing on your europe flights.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Looks like management fixed what they needed.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Looks like management fixed what they needed.

Not true..... "No pilot was left behind".....

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Where's the language limiting ready-reserve duty to ATL. Just imagine wandering around MGM for 8 hours.

 

[outtahere]

I gotta say, for 5 years of negotiating, I wasn't really blown away. As far as the retirement, the summary states that it is the first 6% of the pilots contribution. I'm on the fence about how to vote, I'll have to see how the road shows go.

 

[Crash Pad]

The scope is terrible.... I would have taken the SKYW agreement lock stock and barrel in contract form over this.

 

[BIGGOAT]

Crash Pad,

What you see are just highlights. Hopefully the end result, especially concerning scope, will have much more defined lanquage.

Goat

 

[ASACRJFlyer]

I have to agree with outtahere, from what I've read, I wasn't really impressed. I think a good portion of this TA was negotiated when times were a lot tougher for airlines and our MEC negotiated as such. Now that things are improving, the company sees an opportunity to lock in an agreement which gives us a few improvements while gutting some things that really helped us (ie. premium).

If ASA is truly concerned with on time performance, why would they want to ditch premium? What motivation does a pilot have to get a flight in early if it means a cut in his paycheck? I can see a crew flying along at .74 seeing that they're going to arrive 20 minutes early pulling back to .70 to arrive closer to the scheduled time. Then again, maybe that's what the company wants since the flight would still be on time and there's the gas savings to consider.

Granted, this is only a summary so I'll reserve judgement until I see the final language.

 

[Airboss]

So whys is it newhires now get off probation at IOE Completion + 1 year?

We currently have a 12 month category freeze, the new contract is 18 months, unless you go to a lower pay rate then its 24 months.

For pro-checks you now only get training pay, no lost block, and same with vacation (3.00 hrs/day (TA)).

 

[sweptback]

If ASA is truly concerned with on time performance, why would they want to ditch premium? What motivation does a pilot have to get a flight in early if it means a cut in his paycheck? I can see a crew flying along at .74 seeing that they're going to arrive 20 minutes early pulling back to .70 to arrive closer to the scheduled time. Then again, maybe that's what the company wants since the flight would still be on time and there's the gas savings to consider.

You still get paid for the block time, so if you do a scheduled 2 hour flight in 1:30, you still get paid 2 hours.

Premium only helped the people that were at guarantee for the month (nappers, reserve) and those guys will make the same or more with the rigs and min day.

 

[USCtrojan]

I have to agree with outtahere, from what I've read, I wasn't really impressed. I think a good portion of this TA was negotiated when times were a lot tougher for airlines and our MEC negotiated as such. Now that things are improving, the company sees an opportunity to lock in an agreement which gives us a few improvements while gutting some things that really helped us (ie. premium).

If ASA is truly concerned with on time performance, why would they want to ditch premium? What motivation does a pilot have to get a flight in early if it means a cut in his paycheck? I can see a crew flying along at .74 seeing that they're going to arrive 20 minutes early pulling back to .70 to arrive closer to the scheduled time. Then again, maybe that's what the company wants since the flight would still be on time and there's the gas savings to consider.

Granted, this is only a summary so I'll reserve judgement until I see the final language.

Motivation comes in the form of Profit Sharing. The better we do, the more $$ back in your pocket. With the Duty Rig, I feel we all knew Premium was going to go away. I love the Duty Rigs, at least the way it's shown in the abbreviated version. Your duty day, most likely, will not exceed 12 hours. Takes a chunk out of the 14 hour scheduled days. 6 hours of pay and if they sched you for 14 hours of duty, it's an automatic 8 hours of pay. Not too shabby.

I'm looking forward to the Road Shows and see what else we're missing and seeing.

As far as sitting Ready Reserve at an outstation, that really makes no sense. If the Company has to get you there and bring you back, why would you care where you spend your 8 hours? 2-4 of it would be flying to/from anyway! And most likely you'd be late! Additionally, outstations have how many flights a day? Avg 4, most likely less? So they'd sit you at an outstation 8 hours for 2-3 flights? Looking forward to the Road Shows.

Trojan

 

[Beergut]

I heard the company agreed to provide a special lounge for the ready reserves that will have high-speed internet and satellite tv. I also heard there would be a $5.00 bonus per on time departure. It's all hearsay. I'm really looking forward to the road shows so that some of the gaps on the summary can be filled in.

 

[John Pennekamp]

• Minimum Day Credit
o If a reserve pilot flies more than seventy-five (75) hours of block
time in a month, he will receive credit for such block time plus
three (3) hours and forty-five (45) minutes of credit for each
reserve day(s) for which he did not receive a flight assignment
in the month.

So basically reserves will be used right up to 75 hours per month. And they won't use you for more than 4 hours per day. That means lots of trips to the airport for one round trip. Nice... not. Way to create a loophole big enough to drive an 18 wheeler through.

 

[John Pennekamp]

? For example, when flying a NAP line, you have contracted to fly 40 hrs for a
guarantee of 75 hrs, therefore if you drop 10 hours you have dropped 25% of
what you contracted to fly, your guarantee will now be 56.25 hours [75 – (10
x 75 / 40)]. This calculation will take place at the end of the month, so a pilot
has the opportunity to pick up time to negate the loss of the 10 hrs.

Ouch! BOHICA nap pilots. Way to adopt the company (Nelson D) proration plan word for word. This is complete and utter BS. Don't give me the "you contracted to fly 40 hours" B.S. If I drop 10 hours, then I should lose 10 hours. Period!

 

[GeekMaster]

Motivation comes in the form of Profit Sharing. The better we do, the more $$ back in your pocket. With the Duty Rig, I feel we all knew Premium was going to go away. I love the Duty Rigs, at least the way it's shown in the abbreviated version. Your duty day, most likely, will not exceed 12 hours. Takes a chunk out of the 14 hour scheduled days. 6 hours of pay and if they sched you for 14 hours of duty, it's an automatic 8 hours of pay. Not too shabby.

I'm looking forward to the Road Shows and see what else we're missing and seeing.

As far as sitting Ready Reserve at an outstation, that really makes no sense. If the Company has to get you there and bring you back, why would you care where you spend your 8 hours? 2-4 of it would be flying to/from anyway! And most likely you'd be late! Additionally, outstations have how many flights a day? Avg 4, most likely less? So they'd sit you at an outstation 8 hours for 2-3 flights? Looking forward to the Road Shows.

Trojan

If the company sends ready reserves to an outstation, expect it to be places like CVG and CAE where there are MANY flights both to and from ATL and OTHER destinations. Those are the places where the likelihood of a crew issue would most likely arise therefore benefited by a ready reserve.

 

[USCtrojan]

If the company sends ready reserves to an outstation, expect it to be places like CVG and CAE where there are MANY flights both to and from ATL and OTHER destinations. Those are the places where the likelihood of a crew issue would most likely arise therefore benefited by a ready reserve.

Good point. However, if you have to sit, would you care where it was? If you're flying, even better. I just don't see this being an issue. 8 hours of sitting + a flight there, + a flight home (assuming you don't fly), means around 3-4 hours sitting at an outstation. And that's assuming you're on time, which, well......

Trojan

 

[GeekMaster]

So basically reserves will be used right up to 75 hours per month. And they won't use you for more than 4 hours per day. That means lots of trips to the airport for one round trip. Nice... not. Way to create a loophole big enough to drive an 18 wheeler through.

"CAN" they use a reserve in this way? Yes of course. In actuality, reserves are going to be used according to NEED. Sometimes it'll be to cover a sick call for an entire 4 day trip, sometimes to go get an A/C in MCN.

The question is how are they allowed to use reserves now and will this "improve" with the new system. I think it will. Also, remember it's about supply and demand. If we are FAT on pilots, they are ALWAYS going to do the best they can to keep as many under guarantee as possible. That's business. In our favor, supply and demand is weighted toward the pilot's side for the foreseeable future.

 

[John Pennekamp]

? Back Side of the Clock (BOTC) Duty Period
• If duty intrudes on the time period (0115-0359) it will be considered BOTC.
• Preceded by 11 hours rest
• Max duty time of 11 hours
• Followed by 12 hours of rest (reducible to 11)
• May not depart Domicile more than 2 times
• No more than 4 take-offs
• Hotel room provided if breaks exceed 4 hours

Will this apply to naps?

 

[GeekMaster]

Good point. However, if you have to sit, would you care where it was? If you're flying, even better. I just don't see this being an issue. 8 hours of sitting + a flight there, + a flight home (assuming you don't fly), means around 3-4 hours sitting at an outstation. And that's assuming you're on time, which, well......

Trojan

We are in 100% agreement. I could care less WHERE. Matter of fact, the deadhead will give me something to do. A more important point here hasn't been mentioned. If they choose to send a ready reserve to an outstation, the company will be looking for efficiency too. They would be looking to take a guy who has two or more days in a row of ready reserve to an outstation and leave him there overnight in a hotel. I can't tell from the TA highlights whether it is permissable. Would I object to that? Not really. At least he's gettin per diem for it and he can only do a certain number of ready reserve days anyway.

 

[USCtrojan]

Will this apply to naps?

That's what I was assuming....I don't know how that will be "Rigged."

Trojan