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Freebrd

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Airline stuck in the cellar

By KIRSTEN TAGAMI
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution


Until last winter, most smaller airlines weren't included in a government report ranking customer service.

Officials at Atlantic Southeast Airlines may wish it had stayed that way.

In each of the four months from February through May, the Delta Air Lines subsidiary ranked worst of 17 airlines for mishandled baggage, and last or second-to-last in on-time performance, according to the U.S. Department of Transportation.

In May, Atlantic Southeast's mishandled luggage rate of 14.88 per 1,000 passengers was more than four times the industrywide rate of 3.67. A spokesman says the airline is working on improvements.

The rankings in the monthly Air Travel Consumer Report, available at www.dot.gov/airconsumer/, are the first public glimpse of the regional carrier's performance. Until this year, Atlantic Southeast, also known as ASA or the Delta Connection, was too small to be included on the list, even though it has more than 250 daily flights from Hartsfield International Airport. The DOT last winter retooled the report to include more airlines.

The rankings are considered the most tangible yardstick of airline performance and are watched within the industry. Some airlines have based pay incentives on them.

On-time performance and lost luggage rates have improved for the industry overall since 2001, in part because of reduced traffic at the biggest airlines. The average traveler's chances of having a piece of baggage lost are small even at the worst performers.

But smaller airlines have kept growing, and there is wide disparity among carriers. In on-time performance in May, for instance, three airlines achieved 90 percent marks, while ASA was last at 73.9 percent.

Being added to the monthly rankings has been less embarrassing for AirTran Airways, another airline with a significant presence in Atlanta. AirTran has the third-best record for luggage handling and is in the middle of the pack for on-time arrivals since February, although it was third from last in May.

Chris McGinnis, an Atlanta-based business travel consultant, said he isn't surprised by ASA's poor showing. He said the airline has long been known for poor service, even after Delta took full ownership in 1999.

"This is nothing new to people who fly ASA," he said. "They have an awful reputation, and it's too bad, because supposedly when Delta bought ASA they were going to change that."

But while Delta has grown ASA's operations and speeded its conversion to small jets, McGinnis thinks the subsidiary's service "doesn't get the attention it needs," he said.

"They're like the ugly stepsister who doesn't really belong in the big fancy world of 777s."

Adding insult to injury, he says, ASA customers often must pay higher fares because the airline faces little competition on flights to small cities. "You've got people paying $600 for a midweek trip to Albany, Ga."

Delta referred questions about ASA to the subsidiary. ASA spokesman Kent Landers said the airline is working on service issues.

"There has been a lot of focus on baggage" since the airline was acquired by Delta, Landers said. He said ASA's track record for baggage used to be much worse.

"We know there are improvements that need to be made," he said, adding that is stressed in regular meetings with Delta officials. Landers said technological improvements should help.

This spring, ASA linked to Delta's computer system to prioritize baggage delivery for travelers with tight connections in Atlanta, Landers said.

The company hired 100 more people in Atlanta last year to boost on-time performance, Landers said.

To be sure, regional carriers face some service hurdles. Even those owned by larger carriers have separate work forces with less-experienced and lower-paid employees. More of their passengers are connecting to or from other flights, which multiplies the opportunities for luggage snafus or delays. In DOT reports this year, regional carriers Atlantic Coast Airlines and American Eagle Airlines also rank near the bottom for baggage complaints and on-time arrivals.

On the other hand, regional carrier SkyWest Airlines ranked high for on-time performance. SkyWest is an independent company that operates as Continental Connection, Delta Connection and United Express under contracts with those airlines.

Airlines with heavy schedules in Atlanta, including ASA, AirTran and Delta itself, haven't been helped by an unusually stormy spring.

AirTran's good record on baggage handling comes in part because it's one of four areas on which managers are judged, said spokesman Tad Hutcheson. The other areas are on-time performance, customer complaints and budgets.

He said AirTran's bag agents are told to double-check customers' destinations. "They ask, 'Where are you going?' and if the customer says 'Chicago,' the agent says, 'OK, I'm checking two bags to Chicago,' " Hutcheson said.

Along with AirTran, airlines that had consistently good records for baggage handling this spring included Alaska Airlines and Continental Airlines. Delta was average for both on-time performance and baggage complaints.
 
Until recently, ASA was my only option when having to go to recurrent or vacation. I will personally vouge for the fact that luggage is their last concern. I've been fortunate, only having to wait for my luggage twice. However, my neighbor whom travels frequently for his job has had his luggage lost at least 10 times this year alone, all on ASA.

The best one I've seen in a while was in ATL, connecting on ASA. An arriving flight was delayed so ASA decided to use our aircraft for that flight and delay our flight (I guess because we had less pax onboard ???). They had already loaded our luggage on the plane when they announced the plane change. You would think the next obvious thing would be for them to offload the luggage. Not on your life. Our luggage went to the other airport and didn't show up at my house for two days!

ASA has the potential to be an outstanding operation, IMHO. However, their customer service needs to be improved about 300%. Sadly, their know around here as A Sh**ty Airline.

2000Flyer
 
ASA has the potential to be an outstanding operation, IMHO. However, their customer service needs to be improved about 300%. Sadly, their know around here as A Sh**ty Airline.


Get your facts straight man! ASA stands for Another Suitcase Astray !!!
 
ASA - pissing off the world one passenger at a time.


It's about time the local newspaper starting documenting the abysmal service here. It will be the only way to force management to start hiring quality customer service and ramp personel. The employee turnover here is incredible.
 
I have been on flights through out the DCI network, and I would say ASA is comperable to Comair, and the rest. ATL is the busiest airport in the world, so what do you expect when bags are lost and flights are delayed. This seems to happen most when bad weather hits the ATL area, but Delta mainline will have the same problems. As far as Comair picking up 100 flights in ATL.........I don't believe they could do any better than ASA on performance.
 
Ace757 said:
As far as Comair picking up 100 flights in ATL.........I don't believe they could do any better than ASA on performance.

I hate to be the one to say it, but I hope you're right. If Comair outperforms ASA in Atlanta then we are really in trouble. If, on the other hand, Comair fails as miserably as ASA in Atlanta...........
 
I don't see how comair could do any better. It is basically the same ground support, and we all know ATL is the buisest, so Comair should run into the same problems as ASA.... Whats the status on that new runway they are suppose to be building for the RJ's in ATL. That may help quite a bit with departures. Well I guess you guys could use some more dept agents as well....
 
Ace757 said:
Whats the status on that new runway they are suppose to be building for the RJ's in ATL.

It'll be finished just in time for the ceremony to rename the place "Maynard Jackson International Airport". As an aside, the new runway isn't planned for RJ use. Last I heard, there was an offer on the table for Airtran to move to the new terminal, which would make that more or less an Airtran runway.
 
As long as ASA continues to hire the type of rampers, catering, cleaning personnel and ESPECIALLY the rude, obnoxious gate agents, who could not care less about the passengers, NOTHING will change. I do not mean all of them either. There are people in all those jobs that do an awesome job, but unfortunately they are severely overshadowed by the rest of them.
 
Somehow the company is going to have to motivate the rampers. If anyone read Gordon Bethune's book he had a great idea:

(1) Figure how much the avoidable delays and cancellations cost the airline

(2) If the company makes the top five in operational performance (on time, pax complaints) then pay the employees half of the savings as a monthly bonus.

Supposably Delta management needs all kinds of performance bonuses to stay motivated, why not the line employees? Why not the guys working in noisy, dirty, thankless jobs on 110 degree ramps, while getting screamed at by every white guy with a necktie? It might only be $60 a month, but it would be enough to take the girlfriend to a dinner and movie. It might also create a little peer pressure to perform instead of driving belt loaders into engine cowlings while your buddies point and laugh.

Five airplanes were damaged in one day out on the ATL ramp last week. The effect of losing nearly five percent of your fleet ripples through the operation. As a pilot, I make my money by the block hour, not sitting waiting on rampers. While the Delta MEC is trying to negotiate pay cuts for every Delta employee, I would support my MEC trying to negotiate a bonus program so the employees that get my bird in the air would be more motivated to get my airplane in the air.

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ACA has the same problem at Dulles that ASA has in Atlanta. From what I have heard, this is the first place management is going to clean house now that we are going out on our own.
 
You guys at ASA do about as good as you can with the quality of work ethic in ATL among the ramp personell. And the extreme lack of space dosen't help either. When you're under the thumb of daddy, (i.e Delta) you always get the short end of the stick.

--03M
 
my point is that I don't think that comair management could do any better of a job modivationg the rampers in ATL. They are what they are. which is right now low paid manual laborers. I think your right....ASA should offer bonuses for performance
 
Ace757 said:
my point is that I don't think that comair management could do any better of a job modivationg the rampers in ATL. They are what they are. which is right now low paid manual laborers. I think your right....ASA should offer bonuses for performance

Management may or may not be the problem, but the work ethic among those who work on the ramp in ATL is going to hamper ANY efforts to make it better. And bonuses won't help. Because when they get thier first one, they'll go back to the old quality of work until they increase the bonus.

--03M
 
Why is there low work ethic in ATL among the rampers, and say not in CVG with Comair. Why are they happy, and ASA not? I assume they get paid about the same amount of money.
 
Ace757 said:
Why is there low work ethic in ATL among the rampers, and say not in CVG with Comair. Why are they happy, and ASA not? I assume they get paid about the same amount of money.

Demographics.
 
Y'all must realize that ASA doesn't give a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** about presenting a good product to the consumer. ASA has always ridden on the coat tails of Delta, and will for the forseeable future. If this airline were to go it alone, it would fail miserably. Hopefully this new publicity will raise eyebrows at DCI, and let ASA management know to shape up or ship out.


Do you have the vision....?
 
Hey....don't be knockin ASA as a whole. I would say there flight ops is among the best in the buisness. They work hard to keep ASA going, and they are very professional. If only this attitude could rub off onto the ground crew well then ASA would be #1

Just my 0.02 cents
 
Ace757 said:
Hey....don't be knockin ASA as a whole. I would say there flight ops is among the best in the buisness. They work hard to keep ASA going, and they are very professional. If only this attitude could rub off onto the ground crew well then ASA would be #1

Just my 0.02 cents

Don't limit that to ground crews...... The hard work of the flight ops people needs to rub off on everybody else. It's not a coincidence that the pilots and flight attendants are the ONLY people at ASA held accountable for anything and that they're also the ONLY people at ASA who do their jobs worth a sh!t.
 
The ASA flight crews are the most stand up group of people that I have been aquainted with. They always do there best to help the airline, and its time DCI reconizes that. They should stop blaming the pilots and start looking at the rest of the operation. I know more than a few pilots at ASA who have gone above and beyond there line of duty.
 

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