ASA Sked+

[SLUF4]

So, I have been checking out SKed+ today and it indeed does have a reserve board. So far I've been unable to trade days and it keeps saying shifts must be adjacent to existing shifts.

 

[VerticalSnap]

Does ASA's Sked+ allow you to do post your trip to TRADE with something else that you may want. I remember when I was at ASA on Flica, you could say that you wanted to trade you 4 day for a 3 day on certain days. Then someone would propose a trade and you both could approve or deny it. At SkyWest, the only real way we can trade is by emailing everyone or by putting comments when we post a trip. That doesn't stop someone from just picking up your trip without giving you anything.

 

[SiuDude]

We have a trade only option:

Trade Only Check this box if you are only willing to give up this pairing as a Trade for someone else's pairing

 

[sweptback]

Does ASA's Sked+ allow you to do post your trip to TRADE with something else that you may want. I remember when I was at ASA on Flica, you could say that you wanted to trade you 4 day for a 3 day on certain days. Then someone would propose a trade and you both could approve or deny it. At SkyWest, the only real way we can trade is by emailing everyone or by putting comments when we post a trip. That doesn't stop someone from just picking up your trip without giving you anything.

Yeah, it's pretty slick. Whereas on Flica you would have Future Open Time and the Tradeboard with separate listings, on Sked+ they all show up together.

Our contract requires a tradeboard, so they had to work that in. However, I suspect that SkyWest pilots will see the benefits of this given that the programming is already done.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Yeah, it's pretty slick. Whereas on Flica you would have Future Open Time and the Tradeboard with separate listings, on Sked+ they all show up together.

You mean that "evil" Skywest management actually did something that improves our lives even though they didn't have to? D@mn them......

It must be some evil plot....

 

[sweptback]

You mean that "evil" Skywest management actually did something that improves our lives even though they didn't have to? D@mn them......

It must be some evil plot....

They didn't do it because they wanted the pilots to have better tools. They did it to save $25k a month.

Now, the side effect is they happened to write a better piece of software than Flica. That's great, and shows that some things can be a win-win.

Hopefully their bidding software is as good as this Sked+ is.

 

[Bako Cap]

Hopefully their bidding software is as good as this Sked+ is.

Our PBS leaves a bunch to be desired. I like it a lot and would never chose to go back to hard lines, but I am senior for my base. There are hidden problems that even I run into sometimes. It is easy to use, but takes a long time to understand how not to mess up your own bid. Maybe your contract will force SkyWest INC to fix the several small "gotchas" in the PBS software.

 

[Papa Woody]

Yep, our CONTRACT REQUIRES transparency.

Uh huh! Union contract.

And SkyWest has transparency, too...

K-Y Jelly is indeed transparent

VOTE NO TO ALPA!

 

[ASA_Aviator]

They didn't do it because they wanted the pilots to have better tools. They did it to save $25k a month.

Now, the side effect is they happened to write a better piece of software than Flica. That's great, and shows that some things can be a win-win.

Hopefully their bidding software is as good as this Sked+ is.

You are right. The company doesn't care at all about the pilots. Everything they do is self-serving. It isn't in the best interest of the company at all to do things to keep the pilot group happy. In fact, I can't believe they would give us Sked+ since it is better than Flica. $25k a month is a small price to pay to keep the pilots down!

Come on. There are no conspiracies, and not everything is a pure $ calculation. It wasn't just by accident that the software is better than Flica.

The crew-bid software has less flexibility in the near-term, but over time there will be improvements. Most of the functions are still there, it will just require a little different way of doing them. (No weekends only button, but you can still select the specific weekend days, etc.)

 

[sweptback]

You are right. The company doesn't care at all about the pilots. Everything they do is self-serving. It isn't in the best interest of the company at all to do things to keep the pilot group happy. In fact, I can't believe they would give us Sked+ since it is better than Flica. $25k a month is a small price to pay to keep the pilots down!

Come on. There are no conspiracies, and not everything is a pure $ calculation. It wasn't just by accident that the software is better than Flica.

The crew-bid software has less flexibility in the near-term, but over time there will be improvements. Most of the functions are still there, it will just require a little different way of doing them. (No weekends only button, but you can still select the specific weekend days, etc.)

Actually $25k per month is a lot of money. I'm grateful that the company chose to build their own system that costs nothing on a recurring basis, rather than continue to pay $25k a month to Flica and potentially come to the pilots for concessions. Like I said, some things can be a win-win.

There are a few advantages in Sked+ from what I can tell -- how the info is displayed (in a calendar view rather than a list) and that it will award trips automatically without human intervention. Flica would do that too, but it probably would cost more and the company never turned it on (most airlines that used Flica had a much more advanced version than what we had).

I haven't seen the new bidding program (it sounds like you have) so I'll withhold my comments until I play with it next month. I've heard from some union folks that it's functional but not as advanced as Flica. We'll see.

 

[rightseatjocky]

I was able to trade 3 reserve days. This is absolutly awesome and so fast. I didn't have to wait for a day to find out it was either accepted or denied. The trade went through in 10 seconds. Awesome!!!
:beer: :cartman:

 

[USCtrojan]

So far I haven't had to trade anything yet, but I like the setup of Sched+. I like that it's saving the Co. $$$, and lots of it. As soon as ASA changes parking lots, that's another $50k a month they're saving. I find it amusing so many people whine when something new is introduced.

I see SkyWest just sent their employees a $50 gift card. Pretty f'n cool. Somehow, I would be willing to bet there are people crying about receiving an unexpected $50--"It's only 50 bucks, what am I gonna do with that.......Waaaaaah." Send it to Trojan, I'll invest it in charm school for the FI whiners.

Trojan

 

[MYFpilot]

I see SkyWest just sent their employees a $50 gift card. Pretty f'n cool. Trojan

What $50 gift card?

 

[SLUF4]

Yeah, the trading is fast, but your reserve shifts have to be touching. Also, you can't have just 1 or 2 reserve days out by themselves. Maybe I just haven't figured out how to 'work the system' yet. It does look like a pretty cool system, though.

 

[centralpilot]

I see SkyWest just sent their employees a $50 gift card.

Um... why?

 

[WalterSobchak]

Um... why?

I got one...

I believe it was because a friend of mine that is now a SKW F/A put me down as his reference (I'll be honest, I barely skimmed over the little card that came with it). After he has been here for however long, I got a $50 American Express gift card for referring him to SKW.

Or whatever...regardless, the bottle of 151 it bought has been good to me.

 

[rightseatjocky]

Yes, that is true, you have to have all your reserve days touching. I watched someone keep getting denied in ops as he was trying to trade a day and not having the days touch. Something we found out the hard way, but a good learning experience.
I still like the system though, I don't have to wait 12-24 hours for an answer.

 

[Burt Reynolds]

You only get the $50 for a referral...but we did just get a second quarter operational performance reward of $425. That was nice.

 

[ATRFlyer]

So say i have a res day on the 5th i wanna trade for an off day on the 30th is that not possible anymore? I cant figure out how to do that?

 

[johnpeace]

I have a sort of a conundrum:

I traded a day off. The day that would have been off, it's tomorrow. Since a reserve period prior to a day off ends at 9pm...my reserve period today (on e-trip) ends at 9pm. It never changed after the swap.

Is that for real? Or if I drink a beer at 9pm, will scheduling immediately call and assign me a nap with an 11pm duty in time?

If they did, could I show them a screenshot of my etrip calendar and tell them 'this is the schedule I'm going on'?

 

[sweptback]

I have a sort of a conundrum:

I traded a day off. The day that would have been off, it's tomorrow. Since a reserve period prior to a day off ends at 9pm...my reserve period today (on e-trip) ends at 9pm. It never changed after the swap.

Is that for real? Or if I drink a beer at 9pm, will scheduling immediately call and assign me a nap with an 11pm duty in time?

If they did, could I show them a screenshot of my etrip calendar and tell them 'this is the schedule I'm going on'?

The contract says your last day of reserve ends at 9. I don't know if scheduling is smart enough or not to realize that you swapped your day, but I would guess you're fair game.

Remember that the last 3 hours of reserve are for phone availability only, so depending on your callout time you still may be able to drink that beer.

 

[PooPooPants]

Yes, that is true, you have to have all your reserve days touching. I watched someone keep getting denied in ops as he was trying to trade a day and not having the days touch. Something we found out the hard way, but a good learning experience.
I still like the system though, I don't have to wait 12-24 hours for an answer.

Is it still only from Midnight-12PM that you can make request?

 

[sweptback]

So say i have a res day on the 5th i wanna trade for an off day on the 30th is that not possible anymore? I cant figure out how to do that?

As long as you don't see a red arrow on the 5th, you should be able to swap for it. In SkedPlus, click on the reserve day that you wish to swap, hit exchange on the next window and it should be pretty simple to figure out.

 

[PooPooPants]

As long as you don't see a red arrow on the 5th, you should be able to swap for it. In SkedPlus, click on the reserve day that you wish to swap, hit exchange on the next window and it should be pretty simple to figure out.

It is pretty simple however I have still received the occasional "Insufficient reserve staffing" even when trying to swap out a day without the red arrow. I put a request in this morning and just checked under transactions and got denied for that reason.

 

[SLUF4]

You also can't swap days out in the middle of a reserve period. If you have 5 days on call you can't swap out 1 day in the middle to do something. Also, anything you swap has to touch another reserve period. There also can't be any red arrows. Other than that it should work-good luck.

 

[ATRFlyer]

You also can't swap days out in the middle of a reserve period. If you have 5 days on call you can't swap out 1 day in the middle to do something. Also, anything you swap has to touch another reserve period. There also can't be any red arrows. Other than that it should work-good luck.

Ok so the 5th is the first day of that string of res days and i wanna change it for the 30th which is currently an off day. When i click on the 5th and go to exchange it only list other res days? I must be missing something here.

 

[sweptback]

Ok so the 5th is the first day of that string of res days and i wanna change it for the 30th which is currently an off day. When i click on the 5th and go to exchange it only list other res days? I must be missing something here.

This may be fuzzy, so bear with me. Click on the 5th, in the window that pops up check the box next to the 5th (I don't know why you have to do this twice). Then hit exchange, and in the box type in the 30th.

 

[ATRFlyer]

This may be fuzzy, so bear with me. Click on the 5th, in the window that pops up check the box next to the 5th (I don't know why you have to do this twice). Then hit exchange, and in the box type in the 30th.

I figured that out last night thanks, i just assumed you would hit next and it would give you a choice of days to swap with the check boxs like it does the others. S

 

[AuburnRedneck9]

If you had a union you might be able to impact those poor reserve rules but you guys can't seem to make it happen...until then enjoy being at the mercy of the man...

I agree 100% with Dan, reserve rules suck here at skywest. Do you guys have reserve transparency at ASA? Big issue right now here, getting called out of seriority and junk like that. worst reserve rules and system ever!