ASA reserve question...

[CFI2766]

I'm trying to calculate the earliest time that I can have a beer: I'm on reserve from 0700 to 2200. As I understant it, I have a two hour call out to go fly. Does that mean that I can be called at 2200 with for a 0000 flight? Or, hopefully, does that mean that if I haven't been called by 2000, I won't be called?

There is a six pack in my fridge that really wants to know the answer to this question...

 

[Speedtape]

I'm trying to calculate the earliest time that I can have a beer: I'm on reserve from 0700 to 2200. As I understant it, I have a two hour call out to go fly. Does that mean that I can be called at 2200 with for a 0000 flight? Or, hopefully, does that mean that if I haven't been called by 2000, I won't be called?

There is a six pack in my fridge that really wants to know the answer to this question...

Roll the dice! It's got to be 2200 somewhere!

 

[180ToTheMarker]

I'm trying to calculate the earliest time that I can have a beer: I'm on reserve from 0700 to 2200. As I understant it, I have a two hour call out to go fly. Does that mean that I can be called at 2200 with for a 0000 flight?

Reserve is not rest. If you started reserve at 0700 then you have to be scheduled to duty-out at 2300 (16 hours). Drink accordingly and bottoms up.

 

[Erlanger]

In your senario, they can't call you out after 2100, since you have a 2 hour call out and they can't fly you past 2300. I'd say you can crack that beer open at 2100. Enjoy!

 

[Noise]

Actually, on 0700 reserve, since we have a 2 hour call out, and have to have 1 hour between report and departure in domicle, you wouldnt be able to be called to fly that day after about 1900, give or take a few minutes. That would give you a 2100 report, 2200 departure, and you have to be in the blocks at 2245 to avoid going over 16 hours. Correct me if i am wrong though.

 

[legalalien]

Except you have 1 hour from duty in to departure ( or 15 for a dhd) and our shortest flight is 45 mins block with 15 mins for duty out so I say you can drink after 1945 (and then they can only deadhead you!) - but thats just me!

 

[AV8700]

Actually, on 0700 reserve, since we have a 2 hour call out, and have to have 1 hour between report and departure in domicle, you wouldnt be able to be called to fly that day after about 1900, give or take a few minutes. That would give you a 2100 report, 2200 departure, and you have to be in the blocks at 2245 to avoid going over 16 hours. Correct me if i am wrong though.

This is the method I have used for the past three years

 

[regionalcap]

Is the next day a golden day? They might call you at 2100 and tell you that you get 8 hours of rest for a show in the morning. Just remember that they can move any day off except your golden days. I wouldn't have a drink until my reserve time was over unless I was starting my golden days next.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Is the next day a golden day? They might call you at 2100 and tell you that you get 8 hours of rest for a show in the morning. Just remember that they can move any day off except your golden days. I wouldn't have a drink until my reserve time was over unless I was starting my golden days next.

At which point you immediately put down your beer and get your 8 hours. Problem solved.

 

[John Pennekamp]

They could call you at 1915 for a MCN ferry flight, and overnight you there, extending you into the next day:

1915+2 hr call=2115+1hr preflight=2215+30 minute block=2245+15 min duty out=2300.

I say you're good after 1915. But "It's always 5 o'clock somewhere".

 

[Amish RakeFight]

This might be one of the most informational threads I've ever read around here!

 

[CFI2766]

Reserve is not rest. If you started reserve at 0700 then you have to be scheduled to duty-out at 2300 (16 hours). Drink accordingly and bottoms up.

I had forgotten about the 16 hour duty day.

Does this sound about right?

If I am on reserve at 0700, that's duty, right? That means that I have a 'de facto' (From the BI class notes) duty day of 16 hours; ergo, I'm off duty by 2300. I don't know if it is regulatory, or contractually based, but I think that I have to have at least an hour between the time I check in and the scheduled departure time. Thus, I could be called as late as 1900 for a 2100 duty in, for a 1 hour preflight, to allow me to take a 'scheduled' flight of 45 minutes (plus 15 minutes for postflight before I duty out by 2300).
However, does that part 91 ferry flight to MCN count for my part 121 duty day? Could they theoretically call me at 2155 for a non-revenue flight? How 'bout 2205 for pt. 91 stuff?
I think that if they would have given Dale enough time, he would have covered this in BI...

 

[Papa Woody]

O'Doul's is legal on reserve?

 

[Blucher]

I had forgotten about the 16 hour duty day.

Does this sound about right?

If I am on reserve at 0700, that's duty, right? That means that I have a 'de facto' (From the BI class notes) duty day of 16 hours; ergo, I'm off duty by 2300. I don't know if it is regulatory, or contractually based, but I think that I have to have at least an hour between the time I check in and the scheduled departure time. Thus, I could be called as late as 1900 for a 2100 duty in, for a 1 hour preflight, to allow me to take a 'scheduled' flight of 45 minutes (plus 15 minutes for postflight before I duty out by 2300).
However, does that part 91 ferry flight to MCN count for my part 121 duty day? Could they theoretically call me at 2155 for a non-revenue flight? How 'bout 2205 for pt. 91 stuff?
I think that if they would have given Dale enough time, he would have covered this in BI...

If you haven't been on rest in the past 15+ hours, you can very easily say no to any part 91 requested the company may have for you. Just tell them for safety reasons you can not accept the part 91 flight (no need to tell them the real safety reason is that you're already 1/2 through a 12 pack!). Remember, just because a flight is legal does not make it safe.

-Blucher

 

[regionalcap]

I enjoy a fine cold beer as much as the next guy. However,is it really that hard to wait until 10pm to have one? The night is still young. Don't take a chance on something.

 

[SiuDude]

I had forgotten about the 16 hour duty day.

Does this sound about right?

If I am on reserve at 0700, that's duty, right?

No, reserve is not duty, but it is not rest either. This means that the company is not bound by the 14 hour maximum contractual duty day. The company usually adheres to the part 121 rest requirements even for part 91 flights. The rest of your post sounds right.

 

[Noise]

No, reserve is not duty, but it is not rest either. This means that the company is not bound by the 14 hour maximum contractual duty day. The company usually adheres to the part 121 rest requirements even for part 91 flights. The rest of your post sounds right.

That is correct, however, they still must adhere to the 16 hour rule.

 

[Puck Mugger]

I enjoy a fine cold beer as much as the next guy. However,is it really that hard to wait until 10pm to have one? The night is still young. Don't take a chance on something.

Not if your an oiler. Which I would hazard a guess is in this guys future if we need to have a whole thread on what time he can dive into his bottle.

 

[Socalplt]

Do you guys really have a 15hr callout period? They could always call you out for a drug/alcohol test as well -- they do at SkyWest.

 

[Blucher]

Do you guys really have a 15hr callout period? They could always call you out for a drug/alcohol test as well -- they do at SkyWest.

Are you serious? How are you paid for that? I know I'm not dragging my butt down to the airport just to piss in a cup for $1.50/hour.

-Blucher