ASA Red Arrow Days

[Speedtape]

The grievance for the Red Arrow days was simply a bs tactic to pacify the pilots. The negotiator dude knew that the contract did not prevent Red Arrow days.

So, they said they had a settlement! Where is it? Oh, yeah, another lame excuse. It is now being held in abeyance. Tick tock, tick tock, tick tock! We are waiting.

 

[LazyLightnin']

The grievance for the Red Arrow days was simply a bs tactic to pacify the pilots. The negotiator dude knew that the contract did not prevent Red Arrow days.

So, they said they had a settlement! Where is it? Oh, yeah, another lame excuse. It is now being held in abeyance. Tick tock, tick tock, tick tock! We are waiting.

You are ALPA!!.. Remember, speedy???

Now that that's outta the way.. who's this "negotiator dude" so we can thank him personally? Plus, I heard the "settlement" was the new open time parameters and what not.

 

[Speedtape]

You are ALPA!!.. Remember, speedy???
I am a dues paying member. What's ALPA have to do with this issue? It's more about a few people that appear to be misleading the pilot group.

Now that that's outta the way.. who's this "negotiator dude" so we can thank him personally? Plus, I heard the "settlement" was the new open time parameters and what not.

The neotiator dude is the negotiator dude. So, the settlement was what? And when was the settlement put into effect? Stalling...........

 

[Abernathy]

"Yes but, thanks for all you do."

-ASA

 

[ASApuppy]

Unfortunatly, this is our biggest weakness in the PBS/contract. We have no firm control on staffing levels. My solution for the next contract is we need something in there that says if the company requires more than their allotted 4 "restricted" days then a position notice must be made.

It is too difficult to staff the monthly fluctuations in the schedule from Delta. Until some retirements start happening, we are stuck in feast or famine.

I guess I just need to call in sick more to get the days off I need to do the things I need to do.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Speedtape,

You are confusing the heck out of me. You always were a staunch defender of the ASA ALPA and now this about face. What's up? (serious question, no sarcasm here)

On a side note, we are becoming better than any day time soap opera with all of our drama again.

 

[CFI2766]

Speedtape,

You are confusing the heck out of me. You always were a staunch defender of the ASA ALPA and now this about face. What's up? (serious question, no sarcasm here)

On a side note, we are becoming better than any day time soap opera with all of our drama again.

The ASA threads are picking up, aren't they? Back to our rightful place as the king of FI, I say.

The red arrow days are annoying, but how about a new concept: If you take the time to anonymously complain about something, why not suggest a realistic solution in the same post? Just a suggestion...

 

[Speedtape]

The ASA threads are picking up, aren't they? Back to our rightful place as the king of FI, I say.

The red arrow days are annoying, but how about a new concept: If you take the time to anonymously complain about something, why not suggest a realistic solution in the same post? Just a suggestion...

I agree. My solution is to first raise the issue.

 

[buscap]

I agree. My solution is to first raise the issue.

The solution lies in either:

1.. The problem gets fixed in the next contract with language mandating that only two kinds of days exist as it relates to open time. Days can be RESTRICTED or NON RESTRICTED. RESTRICTED days are like we have now, used to hold out days like Christmas, with a negotiated number allowed.

All legal swap requests will be allowed on NON RESTRICTED days. The company must plan and staff accordingly.

2. Similar language is negotiated now, and incorporated in an LOA.

Both options will be extremely expensive, for us in negotiating capitol, and for the company in staffing requirements.

The funny thing is, we have quite a few pilots who believe this language already exists, ignoring the facts on the ground.

 

[at7driver]

i remember reading someones post from the first thread on this topic.


I would say as that person mentioned.. figure out how many reserves are needed on a given day.. I have had stuff denied for red arrow days and they show around 20 bodies. seriously come on.

I would say we must define what "their" number for reserves is, then move on from there.

hard to hit the proverbial moving target..

oh ya mesa sucks, Happy Easter.

 

[LazyLightnin']

I believe the red arrow days have less to do with reserve staffing and more to do with controlling your overall schedule from a financial standpoint. They build the lines the way they want them and the red arrows, for the most part, keep them that way. They deny your swaps for higher credits,thus, keeping paychecks low. Makes sense to do so.. Doesn't make it right, but, after all, what can we do about it???

 

[Poppa Hodax]

I believe the red arrow days have less to do with reserve staffing and more to do with controlling your overall schedule from a financial standpoint. They build the lines the way they want them and the red arrows, for the most part, keep them that way. They deny your swaps for higher credits,thus, keeping paychecks low. [snip]

I suspect you are exactly right. A brilliant move by the Company: low block the lines for the more expensive (senior) pilots, and roll that flying onto less expensive reserves until they are right up at guarantee. Normalizing the flying towards the monthly guarantee is a cost saving business decision by the Company. Everybody flies around 75 hours (plus or minus a few hours), thus minimizing the pilot labor costs.

 

[Abernathy]

The ASA threads are picking up, aren't they? Back to our rightful place as the king of FI, I say.

The red arrow days are annoying, but how about a new concept: If you take the time to anonymously complain about something, why not suggest a realistic solution in the same post? Just a suggestion...

Realistic solution? Raise line values or bring our furloughed boys and girls back. Also better contract language that doesn't rely on the company acting in good faith. We need sharks at the negotiating table. People versed in politics and legal language.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

The grievance for the Red Arrow days was simply a bs tactic to pacify the pilots. The negotiator dude knew that the contract did not prevent Red Arrow days.

So, they said they had a settlement! Where is it? Oh, yeah, another lame excuse. It is now being held in abeyance. Tick tock, tick tock, tick tock! We are waiting.

Look, I don't work there any more, so I have no dog in this fight, but I'm really confused. Here's the link to last month's post where Speed was saying your Red Arrow grievance had no merit:

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=131176&highlight=red+arrow+speedtape

Now he has flip flopped? What changed between then and now?

 

[Speedtape]

Look, I don't work there any more, so I have no dog in this fight, but I'm really confused. Here's the link to last month's post where Speed was saying your Red Arrow grievance had no merit:

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=131176&highlight=red+arrow+speedtape

Now he has flip flopped? What changed between then and now?

Flipped? Hardly! Read both. The message is consistent.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

There is no contract violation. Restricted days are not Red Arrow Days.



A Restricted Day is a day that Reserve Coverage is "below" adequate Reserve Coverage and on that day no swaps with open time will be allowed, but will allow pickups and pilot trades. The switch is "OFF." No swapping can occur on a Restricted day.

A Red Arrow Day indicates that the Reserve Coverage is at or near the Company's minimum, but adequate reserve staffing level to cover "only" unplanned absences and/or uncovered trips in Current Open Time. A swap may still be approved on a Red Arrow Day. Or, if not approved on the first attempt, may be approved the next day if a swap is resubmitted.

Read your contract.

Flipped? Totally. I quote (above) "There is no contract violation".

 

[BOX OFFICE]

So what could have made 'ol Speed so mad to turn on the MEC he supported last month?

 

[777forever]

Realistic solution? Raise line values or bring our furloughed boys and girls back. Also better contract language that doesn't rely on the company acting in good faith. We need sharks at the negotiating table. People versed in politics and legal language.

I guarantee you if they bring the furloughs back there will be people on reserve that go months without flying or barely crediting 10hrs a month. Especially in IAD

 

[jstyle13]

I guarantee you if they bring the furloughs back there will be people on reserve that go months without flying or barely crediting 10hrs a month. Especially in IAD

Mabye so. I do know that on the 50, there are pretty much no captain reserves already for the next 3 days. Pretty normal to run out of pilots during the day, but 2-3 days out??? Dang...

 

[LazyLightnin']

Rumor has it, the COO was heard saying they will be back shortly. Anyone heard anything substantial?