ASA Questions

[Crash Pad]

1. Strike vote passed. I thought that was going to send a huge message and put management to the fire. What happened?

2. How many A/C are we losing? I count the 17, 700's out of SLC. The ATR (12?)... Is 29 the number? 290 pilots?

3. SKYW is hiring 500 pilots this year for A/C they don't have. 35 ASA 700s plus 6 900s = 41 aircraft... Does anyone else think that is why SKYW is hiring?

4. I have had Captains tell me that SKYW can't take assets from ASA something about the company engaging in "self help". Is there any truth to that?

5. Does anyone have any thoughts on what direction this is going in the next 6-12 months?

 

[ReportCanoa]

Who cares. Shutting ASA down is the only thing left to do, and hopefully put a hurt on SkyWest Holdings while we're flushed down the toilet.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Report Canoa - you are right, we need to do it sooner rather than later.

1. Strike vote passed. I thought that was going to send a huge message and put management to the fire. What happened?

2. How many A/C are we losing? I count the 17, 700's out of SLC. The ATR (12?)... Is 29 the number? 290 pilots?

3. SKYW is hiring 500 pilots this year for A/C they don't have. 35 ASA 700s plus 6 900s = 41 aircraft... Does anyone else think that is why SKYW is hiring?

4. I have had Captains tell me that SKYW can't take assets from ASA something about the company engaging in "self help". Is there any truth to that?

5. Does anyone have any thoughts on what direction this is going in the next 6-12 months?

1. You see the September schedules? There is your reply. This company wants us begging for Preferential Bidding.
2. 18 Firm Orders, 11 700's (for now), possibly 12 ATRs
3. Yep - that math works out about right
4. Who is going to stop them, ALPA?
5. My bet is that ASA will be shrunk to the point of irrelevance and then what remains will be folded into SkyWest. If this happens with, or without, the pilots is up in the air and up to how magnanimous Jerry Atkin feels. ALPA says none of what we observe is really happening so it is not necessary for them to take any action. I hope ALPA is correct. I hope to be on the sidelines watching from a comfortable distance away when DCI implodes.

Trips under 400 NM are taking an advance booking hit as customers figure the "hassle factor" isn't worth it. This is probably what is keeping the turboprops from being used more, which is what I expected with fuel prices being what they are.

 

[atlcrjdriver]

The same script always comes out during negotiations – “Burn this place down” ”Mgmnt sucks” ”Strike Now” and the list goes on. Give it a rest!!!

In this business you learn very quickly that you never believe something until you see it. The 17 CR7s are skd to go to SKW later this year with the ATR fleet to be retired by next year. Will this happen? Who knows… Allot of talk has been floating around about either keeping the ATR longer or the Q400 as a replacement. Also there are the remaining orders for the CR9.

As for the hiring at SKW, they fly a great deal for UAL and are always taking new a/c for them as well. The rank and file at SKW are keeping a close eye on what is happening w/ our contract and once completed will at least match what we have as far as compensation or join ALPA which JA does not want.

I wouldn’t worry about the future of ASA until I see SKW form a base in ATL for DL flying.

Fly Safe...

 

[79%N1]

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I wouldn’t worry about the future of ASA until I see SKW form a base in ATL for DL flying.

Fly Safe...[/quote]

And that day will soon be upon us.......just wait! As far as the other possible aircraft, don't hold your breath.

 

[atlcrjdriver]

You really should have quoted the most important part - "Don't believe anything until you see it". Until then it is nothing but rumors and suppositions. Remember all those supposals the company and the MEC hatched out. In the words of Bill Engvall "Here's your sign".

Fly Safe...

 

["GO AROUND"]

It's "Here's your sign".

 

[atlcrjdriver]

Already corrected GA, but thx though...

 

[blackhawk911]

I wouldn’t worry about the future of ASA until I see SKW form a base in ATL for DL flying.

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It amazes me that some must still be led to the wall to read the writing on it...

 

[atlcrjdriver]

Well BH when Nostradamus makes his return, let me know b/c I too have some questions for him.

 

[JoeMerchant]

1. Strike vote passed. I thought that was going to send a huge message and put management to the fire. What happened?

2. How many A/C are we losing? I count the 17, 700's out of SLC. The ATR (12?)... Is 29 the number? 290 pilots?

3. SKYW is hiring 500 pilots this year for A/C they don't have. 35 ASA 700s plus 6 900s = 41 aircraft... Does anyone else think that is why SKYW is hiring?

4. I have had Captains tell me that SKYW can't take assets from ASA something about the company engaging in "self help". Is there any truth to that?

5. Does anyone have any thoughts on what direction this is going in the next 6-12 months?

1. You were mislead.

2. We are losing the SLC 70s and some of the 90s we were going to get. The union will tell you this was a bluff and we weren't going to get the 90s anyway.

3. If we keep up our demands, they will probably transfer our remaining 70s. There is absolutely nothing to stop them, not even the mighty ALPA.

4. These captains are spreading misinformation, much like ALPA. There is absolutely nothing that stops management from transferring assets to Skywest.

5. If we continue with or demands, I believe we will remain parked by the NMB and Jerry will fly the 90s out of ATL with Skywest crews. ALPA will cry about it, but it won't change it.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

1. You were mislead.

2. We are losing the SLC 70s and some of the 90s we were going to get. The union will tell you this was a bluff and we weren't going to get the 90s anyway.

3. If we keep up our demands, they will probably transfer our remaining 70s. There is absolutely nothing to stop them, not even the mighty ALPA.

4. These captains are spreading misinformation, much like ALPA. There is absolutely nothing that stops management from transferring assets to Skywest.

5. If we continue with or demands, I believe we will remain parked by the NMB and Jerry will fly the 90s out of ATL with Skywest crews. ALPA will cry about it, but it won't change it.

Oh, dear Lord..... You must be an absolute joy to share a cockpit with for a month. As for #4, kindly educate yourself on the current going's on at the office before opining..... Oh... wait a minute... I forgot... you haven't so much as set foot in the office since being elected to your highly esteemed ALPA position......

Name recognition is a bitch. The average idiot would probably put a guy named Adolf Eichmann into office before Joe Smith, regardless of what he stood for. Too dang bad ASA's pilots are no different.

I would have started the ball rolling on recalling your ass six months ago if I didn't have the sense to know you'd eat it up being Joe Merchant the martyr, holding your court in the Badda Bing and on the webboards. I'm not sure I could stomach that. However, I might be doing you a favor...... After all, If I made you a martyr, at least you'd have seven virgins to look forward to...... That'd be quite a step up from your current *ahem* situation.....

 

[JoeMerchant]

Oh, dear Lord..... You must be an absolute joy to share a cockpit with for a month. As for #4, kindly educate yourself on the current going's on at the office before opining..... Oh... wait a minute... I forgot... you haven't so much as set foot in the office since being elected to your highly esteemed ALPA position......

Name recognition is a bitch. The average idiot would probably put a guy named Adolf Eichmann into office before Joe Smith, regardless of what he stood for. Too dang bad ASA's pilots are no different.

I would have started the ball rolling on recalling your ass six months ago if I didn't have the sense to know you'd eat it up being Joe Merchant the martyr, holding your court in the Badda Bing and on the webboards. I'm not sure I could stomach that. However, I might be doing you a favor...... After all, If I made you a martyr, at least you'd have seven virgins to look forward to...... That'd be quite a step up from your current *ahem* situation.....

Personal attacks aside, lets discuss question #4 if you are able to debate an issue. Management announced several months ago that they were transferring 70 seaters from ASA to SKYW. The original poster said that some of his captains said they couldn't do this. I said he was mislead. If I am incorrect, why hasn't ALPA done something about it? They are transferring assets, and they can transfer more assets.

What are your thoughts on question #4?

 

[Speedtape]

Comair transferred assets during their strike. Once their contract was signed, the hulls were returned or replaced. But, you know this and would rather play on fear.

Skywest, Inc. is interested in making money--lots of it. It will cost them lots of money to do what you suggest. One thing for sure, the ATRs are going away. You are going to have to put out the effort to study another airplane.

 

[cbrown1]

Where has it been stated in writting that we are losing our 11 700's from SLC? That letter stating that SLC was closing also said that there would be abouy 170 F/os and 170 captains in ATL for the 700 fleet. Are they going to have 70 people on reserve?

This is what is really going to happen not the chicken little senarios I keep hearing.

I think we're keeping all our 700s
getting 20 new atrs or q 400s
also getting 10-15 more 50's that are parked in Montreal being inspected for purchased by asa.

 

[Crash Pad]

Where has it been stated in writting that we are losing our 11 700's from SLC? That letter stating that SLC was closing also said that there would be abouy 170 F/os and 170 captains in ATL for the 700 fleet. Are they going to have 70 people on reserve?

This is what is really going to happen not the chicken little senarios I keep hearing.

I think we're keeping all our 700s
getting 20 new atrs or q 400s
also getting 10-15 more 50's that are parked in Montreal being inspected for purchased by asa.

I believe on my ASA it was stated that SLC is closing and the 70's based there will be moved to SKYW. Did anyone else read that? I might be losing my mind.
I have not read anything about the rest of your post. If ASA is getting that much growth why is SKYW doing all the hiring?

 

[atrdriver]

Personal attacks aside, lets discuss question #4 if you are able to debate an issue. Management announced several months ago that they were transferring 70 seaters from ASA to SKYW. The original poster said that some of his captains said they couldn't do this. I said he was mislead. If I am incorrect, why hasn't ALPA done something about it? They are transferring assets, and they can transfer more assets.

They have not yet transferred any 70 seaters. They have said they are going to, but it has not yet happened. There is a difference.

 

[atlcrjdriver]

Until I see the boys in SLC scraping of the ASA logo, its all tentative subject to change.

Fly Safe...

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Precisely.

 

[crjskipper]

I was told by several IPs who have been doing the ACARS 'proving runs' that a few of our current 700s were not modified because those were the ships on the list going to SW. Also told by the same guys that the 900s were in montreal with ASA on them - that ASA had ordered the parts and done all the work on the interiors. Seems to be a lot of trouble if SW was getting them all along.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

I was told by several IPs who have been doing the ACARS 'proving runs' that a few of our current 700s were not modified because those were the ships on the list going to SW. Also told by the same guys that the 900s were in montreal with ASA on them - that ASA had ordered the parts and done all the work on the interiors. Seems to be a lot of trouble if SW was getting them all along.

Nobody said Skywest was getting them all along. The way I understand it is that the decision was made to allocate those airplanes to the Salt Lake system because the E170s were not performing adequately (range issues). Since ASA will no longer have a base in SLC (which our own management said had NOTHING to do with the pilot contract negotiations), then it stands to reason that the airplanes would then go to Skywest. Bottom line is we did get screwed out of some airplanes but it had absolutely nothing to do with pilot costs or contract negotiations.

 

[ReportCanoa]

IP's are the BEST rumor mongers in the business.

 

[AV8700]

They have not yet transferred any 70 seaters. They have said they are going to, but it has not yet happened. There is a difference.

There are already a few 700's flying around for SKYW with the EV tail.

 

[Crash Pad]

Ok so SKYW is hiring like crazy. We get a company memo about the 70 seat transfer. IP's are getting furloughed. At what point do we believe the 70s are gone? I don't keep track of tail numbers so can someone tell me the second one leaves. Thanks.

 

[atlcrjdriver]

Please Help, The sky is falling!!!

SKW is hiring, great for them as they are skd to get the first 6 CR9. They also have attrition and the bulk of there flying is for UAL. I have not heard or seen any IPs being furloughed. Many are back flying the line until classes are announced. Again, when they start scraping the ASA logos off, let me know...

Fly Safe..

 

[Muff-N-Man]

getting 20 new atrs or q 400s
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???????

 

[Turkey Shoot]

I love the "Skywest getting an ATL base" cry from the ranks. It makes no business sense what so ever. As much as Atkins is rumored to dislike unions, there is no financial incentive to put a SW base there. It costs quite a bit of money for all that sort of stuff, too much to justify getting rid of a union that does not cost as much money that is less expensive than the current pilot group.

Those boys are all about making money and not giving it away needlessly.

One more point, I believe looking at the market and current scope restrictions, that Skywest wants to additional certificate to avoid some of thos pitfalls. It only expands his business oppurtunities. Nothing good comes from shutting down ASA for SkyWest Inc.

BTW, great paint job on that Virgin America plane in YUL. Makes my stomach hurt when I see it.

 

[cbrown1]

Ok so SKYW is hiring like crazy. We get a company memo about the 70 seat transfer. IP's are getting furloughed. At what point do we believe the 70s are gone? I don't keep track of tail numbers so can someone tell me the second one leaves. Thanks.

What memo was that? I never saw any memo that said they were getting rid of the 700s.