ASA question...

[Rogue5]

Hey all you ASA guys/gals:

How many pilots do you have on your seniority list?

Thanks...

 

[FL000]

1700ish

 

[Jungle Prop]

I think we have between 1800-2000 pilots on the list.

 

[catIIIc]

When was the most senior guy hired most junior captain etc???

 

[Medeco]

I think we have between 1800-2000 pilots on the list.

Sen # 1791 is the lowest I can find on the list taken from the latest prelim award, and he was on the ATR.

That is misleading, because we only update the list twice a year, and only then does the list reflect an accurate #, since we have many people leaving it is probable somewhere 50 to 100 less than 1791.

Medeco

 

[~~~^~~~]

Yesturday, about 4 years ago. The people hiring in now may never upgrade because there is not sufficient growth in our fleet type and Delta will not last that long.

Try the search feature on this web site for these very frequently repeated questions.

 

[FishandFly]

Sen # 1791 is the lowest I can find on the list taken from the latest prelim award, and he was on the ATR.

That is misleading, because we only update the list twice a year, and only then does the list reflect an accurate #, since we have many people leaving it is probable somewhere 50 to 100 less than 1791.

Medeco

1791... Sweet! I must have upgraded without knowing it!

I think Medeco means 1791 pilots total.

Most junior capt (which happened to be an ATR upgrade) was in the low 1200 range.

Regarding the possibility suggested that you may never upgrade, about half of our pilots are negative about the future of ASA, the other half are quite optimistic.

The thing that really sucks is when you happen to be one of the optimistic employees and you get stuck flying with someone who complains like their life is horrible.

From the optimistic side:

Our training department continues to bring in 40 to 50 new F.O.'s every month. This in itself is a huge indication that Delta has continued high hopes for ASA. I'm not sure what the monetary investment is of putting 50 through training, but I imagine it is significant.

We are getting a good number of airplanes.

Contract will come around eventually.

Company is decent.

Attrition is increasing. (hopefully by the people who complain so much)

 

[Mookie]

I think I know why Rogue is asking.....

 

[HowlinMadMurdoc]

I think I know why Rogue is asking.....

Hmm, could it be because Skywest is going to buy ASA???



HMM

 

[Rogue5]

All I have to say is:

Where is my heartburn medication?

 

[~~~^~~~]

Regarding the possibility suggested that you may never upgrade, about half of our pilots are negative about the future of ASA, the other half are quite optimistic.

Attrition is increasing. (hopefully by the people who complain so much)

Every pilot who has ever come to work at ASA was a happy employee they day they were hired. They were optimistic, hopeful and excited to be here.

What you should wonder is, why did they change?

 

[FishandFly]

My best guess is that there are many people who have not walked in the shoes of someone who is truly in need, or if they have, they have forgotten what it was like. Not that I have, but I can imagine that those who complain about our problems have no problems compared to others in the world.

Grandma told me long ago that ever since she made it out of germany with her life she vowed to not complain again.

Well any way, my computer is acting slow, my internet is freezing up, the temperature in my apartment is a little too cold, my neighbors have their music to high, and I didn't get to eat tonight... Time to go to bed for an early duty in tomorrow.

 

[ArcticFlier]

Hmm, could it be because Skywest is going to buy ASA???

God, I hope not...................




AF

HMM[/QUOTE]

 

[ArcticFlier]

deleted: stupid button

 

[Bluto]

Well any way, my computer is acting slow, my internet is freezing up, the temperature in my apartment is a little too cold, my neighbors have their music to high, and I didn't get to eat tonight... Time to go to bed for an early duty in tomorrow.

But you're not complaining, right? Seriously though, good for you. The right attitude is key to happiness in any job, and in life. Sometimes, those of us who seem to complain all the time are just trying to be aware and make others aware of the inherent inequities in the system. Many of us are just trying to make things better. Oh, and also complaining is fun.

 

[blzr]

Every pilot who has ever come to work at ASA was a happy employee they day they were hired. They were optimistic, hopeful and excited to be here.

What you should wonder is, why did they change?

Could it be seeing the flying going more and more to Contract carriers? Having Management say one thing and then do another? Could it be that the Airline that ownes you keeps giving you the impression that you are too expencive and they would be better off without you?

I don't know if this applies to ASA, but it sure did at Piedmont.

 

[Plug]

The most junior pilot on the list at ASA is 1731, saw the list last week in FSI. He was hired on to the ATR. There were 11 pilots in that class that started 2 weeks ago today with another 12 starting indoc. today. 20-25 a month for the forseeable future as that is all our training dept. can handle because of upgrades.

 

[Bluto]

And the most junior CA?

 

[ArcticFlier]

How about the DOH of the most senior captain?


AF

 

[ohplease!]

How about the DOH of the most senior captain?


AF

must be about '79 or '80

 

[atrdriver]

7/28/79 is the number one CA.

 

[Plug]

And the most junior CA?

Most junior jet CA is 1150ish and most junior ATR CA is 1200ish.

 

[Sinca3]

How bout some Skywest #'s!?!?

 

[Socalplt]

2009 on the list.
#125 ~1990
#200 ~1994-1995
#400 ~1/99
#500 ~6/99
#600 ~1/00
#700 ~5/00
#850-900 somewhere around 1/01
#1100 probably towards the end of 02
#1500 from what I hear is only about 15 months and this is how low RJ CP went in the last bid. The majority of the CP slots went to guys with numbers of 1200-1400, or about 2 years with the company. This included some of the United J4J guys.

Probably another couple hundred more new hires to be added this year. All of the growth would be in ORD and DEN I'd imagine.

How does this compare to ASA for DOH?

 

[ifly4food]

It's not seniority numbers that matter, it's that seniority position's date of hire that counts.

 

[ifly4food]

1791... Sweet! I must have upgraded without knowing it!

I think Medeco means 1791 pilots total.

Most junior capt (which happened to be an ATR upgrade) was in the low 1200 range.

Regarding the possibility suggested that you may never upgrade, about half of our pilots are negative about the future of ASA, the other half are quite optimistic.

The thing that really sucks is when you happen to be one of the optimistic employees and you get stuck flying with someone who complains like their life is horrible.

From the optimistic side:

Our training department continues to bring in 40 to 50 new F.O.'s every month. This in itself is a huge indication that Delta has continued high hopes for ASA. I'm not sure what the monetary investment is of putting 50 through training, but I imagine it is significant.

We are getting a good number of airplanes.

Contract will come around eventually.

Company is decent.

Attrition is increasing. (hopefully by the people who complain so much)

Yes, they're hiring newhires that can be fired immediately and without cause for a year (probation). However, they're not offering upgrades more than every other month. Doesn't sound like much of an investment in ASA to me.

 

[Sinca3]

Senority Number..............Hire date
#1..................................7/79
#2-50...........................4/80-3/85
#51-150........................4/85-11/89
#151-300......................11/89-3/97
#301-500......................3/97-2/99
#501-700......................2/99-11/99
#701-900......................12/99-6/00
#901-1050.....................6/00-10/00
#1051-1300...................10/00-3/02
#1301-1450................... 3/02-12/02
#1451-1600....................12/02-11/04
#1629............................12/04
1629 is the last one on the printed senority list. ASA has hired roughly 100 pilots since 1/05. We have also lost around 65 pilots since 1/05!
As of the June assignments list (doesn't include pilots in training) the
most junior capts by senority number were:
ATR........1057
CR2........1067
CR7ATL...642
CR7SLC...488


Hope that might shed some light on our relative senority compared to other airlines.

 

[701EV]

Sinca,

According to CP CV we've lost 150 pilots since 1/31/05.

701EV

 

[Tomct]

Listen, I am greatful to have a job just like everyone else! I try to have a good attitude and make it a fun environment! However, when the company continues to treat us like $hit and relish in the fact that they are doing it and continue to drag out this contract (because they can) it starts to get under your skin a bit!
I'm tired of the mgnt double talk, trying to make us think that we are being paid to much...(forget the fact that all of our upper mgnt is probably getting a $hitload of bonuses....) and yet here we have newhires that qualify for food stamps! That should bug you a little!
I'm tired of hearing about how delta flight attendants make 15to 20% more money than I do as a 6 year Capt! Sorry, but that is a LOAD of $HIT!! I would like to get out of debt before I DIE! I don't expect Delta wages, but I expect atleast to be able to make a decent wage!
See Ya'll on the 19th BABY!!!