ASA....Punitive Strike

[jetstream]

Regardless of what agreements have been reached, when the time comes I think I would be willing to strike as a punitive measure against ASA management for the way they have jerked us around for the past three years. In effect, fine them a couple million $ then go back to work. And don't say we would only be taking money out of our own pockets because anyone who works here knows we would never see a penny of it anyway!

Everyday I give them 100% and deal with them in a professional and ethical manner. I'm sick of them not doing the same!

 

[WWEfan]

Thank you for giving 100%. That is all anyone could ask of you.

What we don't want is people going above and beyond the call of duty. I'm sick and tired of hearing multiple calls on the radio for cleaning, catering, etc. We supposedly have people at ASA that are paid to do these things. Departure Coordinators are supposed to handle this. Personally, I don't make any radio calls. When I get asked to board I politely tell the gate agents that I don't know when we will be ready and then I go sit in the cockpit and watch the circus that is the ASA ramp.

Oh....and will I strike when the time comes? Well, does a bear sh!t in the woods?

 

[ohplease!]

Regardless of what agreements have been reached, when the time comes I think I would be willing to strike as a punitive measure against ASA management for the way they have jerked us around for the past three years. In effect, fine them a couple million $ then go back to work. And don't say we would only be taking money out of our own pockets because anyone who works here knows we would never see a penny of it anyway!

Everyday I give them 100% and deal with them in a professional and ethical manner. I'm sick of them not doing the same!

You are an idiot.

 

[ohplease!]

Thank you for giving 100%. That is all anyone could ask of you.

What we don't want is people going above and beyond the call of duty. I'm sick and tired of hearing multiple calls on the radio for cleaning, catering, etc. We supposedly have people at ASA that are paid to do these things. Departure Coordinators are supposed to handle this. Personally, I don't make any radio calls. When I get asked to board I politely tell the gate agents that I don't know when we will be ready and then I go sit in the cockpit and watch the circus that is the ASA ramp.

Oh....and will I strike when the time comes? Well, does a bear sh!t in the woods?

You too.

 

[jetstream]

You are an idiot.

Please forgive me!!!
We all wish our posts could be as intellectual as yours.

 

[bailout]

ohplease,.. you are obviously one of those IDIOTS who call for everything.

Im sure you're one of those guys who calls for single engine taxi, coming out of spot 42, ramp three, going to 8R, when you can plainly see that there is no one in line.

 

[ohplease!]

ohplease,.. you are obviously one of those IDIOTS who call for everything.

Im sure you're one of those guys who calls for single engine taxi, coming out of spot 42, ramp three, going to 8R, when you can plainly see that there is no one in line.

If I thought it would upset the likes of you, I would.

SE taxi does MANY more things than save fuel but, you guys are far too wrapped up in your own tiny world of self to realize it. I'm just glad guys like you are a very, very small number.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Anyone else think that "oh please" is not a pilot? Notice he operates an AT-72, what is that?

Ohplease seems to think we are all idiots, OK then, lets play....

Oh Please, prove me wrong. Why is zero fuel weight a limitation? What are the conditions to engage the prop brake on the ATR? What speed would you fly a CRJ at if asked to hold at 18,000FT. How about holding speed for an ATR at 25,000 feet? Can the ATR hold at 25,000FT, if not why? What does the least selector valve do in the ATPCS? Which DC bus tie contactor operates manually in the CRJ? These are all easy questions that pilots of these airplanes should know.... what say you?

 

[jetstream]

I have an idea.
Why don't we all forget about ohplease and go back to a discussion of the original topic?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

jetstream- you simply need to re-align your expectations when you come to work....

 

[ohplease!]

Anyone else think that "oh please" is not a pilot? Notice he operates an AT-72, what is that?

Ohplease seems to think we are all idiots, OK then, lets play....

Oh Please, prove me wrong. Why is zero fuel weight a limitation? What are the conditions to engage the prop brake on the ATR? What speed would you fly a CRJ at if asked to hold at 18,000FT. How about holding speed for an ATR at 25,000 feet? Can the ATR hold at 25,000FT, if not why? What does the least selector valve do in the ATPCS? Which DC bus tie contactor operates manually in the CRJ? These are all easy questions that pilots of these airplanes should know.... what say you?

1. somthing about airframe stress.
2. green sys. hyd., prop featherd, avail light on the overhead. I think thats all but its been a long time.
3. 230 kts
4. N/A
5. nope. service ceiling
6. don't remember. something about power uptrim during an engine failure.
7. no idea.

how'd I do?

give me something line standard. I'm better with the real stuff.

 

[bailout]

Geez, you just dont get it,. We are NOT the minority, YOU are.

If you would stop trying to figure out how to save the company a penny by using your little black Timex watch (with the built in calculator) and raise your head to see whats going on around you, you might have a clue.

O.T.H., dont get me wrong, Im not against S.E. taxi,. -when its warranted, not like in my example-- And it used to upset me, but you'll know its me you're flyng with if we get to the hold short line and i havent quite finished my checklists yet, (like starting the other engine) so we have to tell ATC we have to wait a few minutes before we're ready.



If I thought it would upset the likes of you, I would.

SE taxi does MANY more things than save fuel but, you guys are far too wrapped up in your own tiny world of self to realize it. I'm just glad guys like you are a very, very small number.

 

[Halo_RJdriver]

uh you sure your CA?

1. somthing about airframe stress.
2. green sys. hyd., prop featherd, avail light on the overhead. I think thats all but its been a long time.
3. 230 kts
4. N/A
5. nope. service ceiling
6. don't remember. something about power uptrim during an engine failure.
7. no idea.

how'd I do?

give me something line standard. I'm better with the real stuff.

If you are a CA your a lazy one.

 

[ohplease!]

If you are a CA your a lazy one.

I'll be the first to admit that. I also have a life away from work and can't read 5 pages of the POH without falling asleep. I do have a pro check in March. Ask me some of the same questions then.:beer:

 

[ReportCanoa]

Regardless of what agreements have been reached, when the time comes I think I would be willing to strike as a punitive measure against ASA management for the way they have jerked us around for the past three years.

Lord, have mercy.

 

[av8tor4239]

Oh Please!... You are one of few at ASA.. your Lorenzo views of making our executives richer, while giving up what many many laborers before you have sacrificed for will not work at ASA. Why are you so willing to give up what you have and take concessions? Do you not have any respect for yourself or for your job?

You truly are the "MONKEY" that managment wants to fly ASA planes for free.. Just give you and your small minority of narrow minded spineless pilots a bag of peanuts and a bananna and all your flights will operate on time. Too bad Chicken Taco, or Mesa did not pick you up X years ago, you would have been thier poster child

 

[ubpilot]

Skywest Question?

Does anyone have any information regarding to SkyWest’s hiring status during 2006? Also, does skywest and ASA share the same seniority number? If not, will that ever happen in the near future?

 

[Tomct]

Oh Please....you had better start looking around, it is YOU that are in the minority! ASA mgmnt is going to have a HUGE wake-up call if they don't pick up the pace of negotiations! We are ALL sick and tired of the "dragging their feet" syndrome. Come March, and we see what the company made in the 4th quarter, WATCHOUT!!

 

[~~~^~~~]

ohplease - you pass with a debrief - just like 80% of us. You probably should know the holding speed is 225 up to FL250, then it is 250 and the DC ESS is the bus tie that operates manually. The least selector valve is in the propeller control module and allows lower pressured metered oil to over ride higher pressured supply oil to control propeller pitch.

Still, I'm with the legion of "idiots" who intend to vote for a strike simply for payback. David, Roschelle, Gary and Willie, and dear departed Nelson, have all done their part to earn what they are about to get.

 

[Puck Mugger]

Regardless of what agreements have been reached, when the time comes I think I would be willing to strike as a punitive measure against ASA management for the way they have jerked us around for the past three years.

Then you are a fool.

 

[Puck Mugger]

Still, I'm with the legion of "idiots" who intend to vote for a strike simply for payback.

It is a good thing that the final decision to call a strike rests with the voting members of the MEC and not emotional people who would chose a work stoppage for "payback".

 

[jetstream]

It is a good thing that the final decision to call a strike rests with the voting members of the MEC and not emotional people who would chose a work stoppage for "payback".

People can only be pushed so far before they revolt any way they can. It's just human nature. Keep backing someone into a corner long enough and eventually they will come out fighting.

Thought: A strike by ASA would have a negative affect on three airlines.

 

[puddlejumper101]

People can only be pushed so far before they revolt any way they can. It's just human nature. Keep backing someone into a corner long enough and eventually they will come out fighting.

Thought: A strike by ASA would have a negative affect on three airlines.

not to mention the negative effect it will have on you...is it me or have people lost the whole point of striking. People and unions don't just strike cause they feel like it. A strike should always be used as a last resort...and for crying out loud, are you a negotiator for the MEC??? If you are then yeah your point is valid because you know exactly what has gone on in these negotiations. If you are not...then you are as clueless as any other employee/ pilot in this company. I let my union speak for me...if they strike I strike...I have yet to see an airline thats perfect...hmm...Airtran, UPS, Fedex, Delta, Northwest...aren't those airlines in negotiations too? Are the pilots there mad??? you bet they are...Point is...if this place is treating you like crap, then leave...just so you can complain about your new airline when they start negotiations. Negotiations suck...so does everything that goes with it...Let the guys that are negotiating your contract worry about that...or join them so you can get educated on the process. Trust me, if it was as easy as you suggest then we would have struck already don't you think? Striking just cause, now thats as stupid a comment as I have ever heard. My way of striking is by going somewhere else...or standing by the guys that volunteered to.

 

[ohplease!]

Oh Please!... You are one of few at ASA.. your Lorenzo views of making our executives richer, while giving up what many many laborers before you have sacrificed for will not work at ASA. Why are you so willing to give up what you have and take concessions? Do you not have any respect for yourself or for your job?

You truly are the "MONKEY" that managment wants to fly ASA planes for free.. Just give you and your small minority of narrow minded spineless pilots a bag of peanuts and a bananna and all your flights will operate on time. Too bad Chicken Taco, or Mesa did not pick you up X years ago, you would have been thier poster child

I'll be darned. You are still around. I thought, I mean hoped, you had finally blown that vessel in your head and died.

Who said anything about taking concessions?
Moderator reviewed...no editing required--there is plenty of invective to spread around in this thread...

 

[flylowman]

1. somthing about airframe stress.
2. green sys. hyd., prop featherd, avail light on the overhead. I think thats all but its been a long time.
3. 230 kts
4. N/A
5. nope. service ceiling
6. don't remember. something about power uptrim during an engine failure.
7. no idea.

how'd I do?

give me something line standard. I'm better with the real stuff.

People like this are what keeps pilot in the race for the bottom. Take note everyone. Don't be a tool. And you are wrong on 2 and 6 by the way

 

[ohplease!]

ohplease - you pass with a debrief - just like 80% of us. You probably should know the holding speed is 225 up to FL250, then it is 250 and the DC ESS is the bus tie that operates manually. The least selector valve is in the propeller control module and allows lower pressured metered oil to over ride higher pressured supply oil to control propeller pitch.

.

5 kts? oh well.

the rest of it...not a thing I can do about it from my seat. Just more useless stuff to know for trivia contests and checkrides. I'm glad you are able to remember all that stuff though. Less to study for you.

So, do I get your official nod as legit then?

 

[atlcrjdriver]

"The grass is always greener across the fence ". For those that are so unhappy here, quit. You can go to Air Tran, they are about to go into negotiations and there management says "they are not that special". Go to Expressjet or Comair, but they are about to take pay cuts. If you know someone and can afford to give up your first born and left tactical you can go to UPS or FedEx.

As far as the negotiations, no I am not happy with the slow progress and will support my MEC IF they call for a Strike Vote. That is not to say that I will pick up the sign and walk the pavement.

Point is
Relax, Do Your Job and Go Home...

 

[atrdriver]

Well, you got 1 on the prop brake question. GREAT JOB!!!! 1 out of 4. I still remember all 4 and I haven't flown it in a year.

 

[ohplease!]

Well, you got 1 on the prop brake question. GREAT JOB!!!! 1 out of 4. I still remember all 4 and I haven't flown it in a year.

congratulations to you. You pilot stud you.

 

[JoeMerchant]

People like this are what keeps pilot in the race for the bottom. Take note everyone. Don't be a tool. And you are wrong on 2 and 6 by the way

No flylowman, it is not Ohplease, nor me, nor the 50% "yes" voters at CMR that "keeps pilot(s) in the race for the bottom". It is competition fostered by fee for departure portfolio concepts and failed ALPA scope policies that have led us to this point. If ALPA can come up with a UNIFIED way to bargain as ONE against a brand name, then ALPA will have my support to fight. If it continues down this failed road with nothing more than another lame editorial from DW about not "paying to play" then forget about support from me.

I'm not interested in falling on my sword for a "punitive strike". I am actually more interested in doing something "punitive" to ALPA.