ASA....Punitive Strike

[Going2Baja]

If you strike you are doing just what ASA and SW Mngt wants you to. They will bring in SW to cover the flying and ASA will be a memory in a few short years. Do yourself a favor and research how SW has taken over other airlines in the past. They do not merge. I would suggest to put in an appl at SW now just to cover your bases. You don't want to be the last one standing at the dance do you?

Good luck to you all.

Baja.

 

[Tomct]

Well Baja all these other companies you are talking about were little prop carriers, not 160 plus jet aircraft with their "Mother Hub" in ATL which would CRUSH Big D! You are waaaaayyyyy off thinking that you would just swoop in and take over the flying. We are talking about 900 departures a day out of ATL alone! And, if by some MIRACLE, you were able to pull it off...NOT...then your pilot group might as well not try applying anywhere else, due to the FACT that it would be considered SCAB flying!! Yeah, I know that you are not union (thats your problem) but I doubt you would be able to go anywhere else in this industry and get a good job! (ie Fed Ex, UPS, etc)

 

[Russ]

Air Whisky thought the same thing. I do hope you're right however.

 

[Going2Baja]

Tomct - sorry to differ in thought. I'm suggesting that before you make some strike out of spite you REALLY think it over. I don't work for SW now - I did years ago. If you look at the past to see the future, you'll see how SW has thinned out it's flying across the board (DAL & UAL) to pickup new flying. Can they cover 900 daily, doubtful. Can they cover half or more, easily. Look outside the box my friend and you might be a little concerned. I very much hope I'm wrong, but unless SW changes their playbook I think I'm right on. Good luck. Baja.

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

Relax Tomct - I work for Skywest and I seriously doubt that more yhan 1 or2 guys at best will go to ATL and fly "Struck Work"! Yeah we know what that means. Go ask anyone at Comair -We didn't do it to them......

 

[AVoiceOfReason]

ohplease,.. you are obviously one of those IDIOTS who call for everything.

Im sure you're one of those guys who calls for single engine taxi, coming out of spot 42, ramp three, going to 8R, when you can plainly see that there is no one in line.

I'm one of those "idiots" who calls for everything and tries to save gas. I want this contract finished just as much as anyone, but harming our company isn't going to help. The better the financial numbers are, the better our case is for contractual improvements. The worse our financial numbers are, the harder it will be to get improvements.

 

[AVoiceOfReason]

It is a good thing that the final decision to call a strike rests with the voting members of the MEC and not emotional people who would chose a work stoppage for "payback".

Very well said Puck. I am a little concerned about the FO rep. in ATL however. He seems like he might vote for a strike just for "payback". The other ALPA people I have spoken with seem a little more rational than him.

 

[CTS]

I would not strike simply for payback, however it does concern me that the company wants pay cuts when it is making lots of money (30+ million I believe).

SW thinks we are weak, but I disagree.

If a contract is put up to vote with a pay cut, either hourly or the removal of underblock I will vote NO. No pay raise is a difficult decision, since we are at the top now that everyone has been giving consessions.

Here is an idea, remember when continental pilots used those long aircraft check list, delaying flights almost thirty minutes. Is that still legal? If it is then why arn't we doing that now? When they give us a contract, then we pick up the pace!

Either way, this airline is way better than my previous carrier, Colgan Air. Here at ASA I have a less likely chance a mechanic is going to screw up and kill me.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Do yourself a favor and research how SW has taken over other airlines in the past.

Has SkyWest taken over any airlines besides SunAire and Scenic?

 

[~~~^~~~]

Rumors are that Wednesday SkyWest is going to do a little more house cleaning at the G.O. Perhaps those who are voting as retribution will not have anyone to pay back.

 

[Skaff]

then your pilot group might as well not try applying anywhere else, due to the FACT that it would be considered SCAB flying!! Yeah, I know that you are not union (thats your problem) but I doubt you would be able to go anywhere else in this industry and get a good job! (ie Fed Ex, UPS, etc)

What a load of crap. Your a contract carrier now, no wholley owned benifits. If you lose your contracts, your flying is up for grabs. I wish you guys the best, but when your a contract carrier, its all up for the lowest (hopefully most quality) bidder.

 

[jetstream]

Wonder how passengers would feel if they knew they were on an airplane operated by the lowest bidder, that the airline won the contract because it had the lowest paid pilots, that these pilots had low moral and lousy work rules, etc. etc.

Sounds to me like a great story for the 20/20 news program.

 

[XRMEFLYER]

Wonder how passengers would feel if they knew they were on an airplane operated by the lowest bidder, that the airline won the contract because it had the lowest paid pilots, that these pilots had low moral and lousy work rules, etc. etc.

Sounds to me like a great story for the 20/20 news program.

I wish it were that simple, unfortunately THE single biggest concern of the traveling public seems to be who can save them five bucks on their ticket price. I no longer have a dog in this fight and wish you guys every success in this, but I am afraid things are going to get much worse in the months ahead.

 

[Freebrd]

I'm one of those "idiots" who calls for everything and tries to save gas. I want this contract finished just as much as anyone, but harming our company isn't going to help. The better the financial numbers are, the better our case is for contractual improvements. The worse our financial numbers are, the harder it will be to get improvements.

Voice = management! That you Scott? Maybe a CP? Thibie you been drinking again?

 

["GO AROUND"]

What a load of crap. Your a contract carrier now, no wholley owned benifits. If you lose your contracts, your flying is up for grabs. I wish you guys the best, but when your a contract carrier, its all up for the lowest (hopefully most quality) bidder.

Any flying currently being done by a pilot group when they exercise a work stoppage is struck work. Nice to know what the excuse by the Skywest pilots will be that cross the line and fly struck work. You gonna be the first Skaff? Maybe you can convince all the pilots at SKW that have a clue to fly with you?

No excuse for ignorance. Not that I think it will come to that, but stranger things have happened.

I support my ASA MEC, CNC, and pilot group. Nice to know a few of you at SKW don't.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Voice = management! That you Scott? Maybe a CP? Thibie you been drinking again?

He's either Management or not even a pilot at ASA. I caught him on another thread claiming to be a pilot at 9E. I asked him about it and got no reply.

Go figure.

 

[D'Angelo]

The way these ASA chest pounders are screaming about comair I hope they never get released by the NMB.

 

[E120ASA]

Eat Crap D, play with your yes vote.

 

[sweptback]

The way these ASA chest pounders are screaming about comair I hope they never get released by the NMB.

Well, it's a good thing you don't have a vote.

I've given up on Comair pilots supporting us a long time ago.

 

[D'Angelo]

you all can eat crap! Lets just hope ASA gets comair -1%, the new comair rates that is hahahahahaha

 

["GO AROUND"]

you all can eat crap! Lets just hope ASA gets comair -1%, the new comair rates that is hahahahahaha

Actually, I'm eating steak. Seems atleast you and 51% of Comair pilots like eating the crap that managment fed to you.

We dont have a buch of punk B*tches like you at ASA D'. Did you get your new name tag yet? "Buttrell's B*tch". It's personal between Comair and DAL and they are he11 bent on busting your balls. Wouldn't be suprised if this "cave in" changes nothing with their dismantleing of Comair. Or, enjoy being bent over by Johnny O' if they sell you to Mesa Group.

 

[Medeco]

Actually, I'm eating steak. Seems atleast you and 51% of Comair pilots like eating the crap that managment fed to you.

We dont have a buch of punk B*tches like you at ASA D'. Did you get your new name tag yet? "Buttrell's B*tch". It's personal between Comair and DAL and they are he11 bent on busting your balls. Wouldn't be suprised if this "cave in" changes nothing with their dismantleing of Comair. Or, enjoy being bent over by Johnny O' if they sell you to Mesa Group.

Dont be so sure about us not having pushovers at ASA.

Comair guys sure put up a front of mostly militant no voters, and you see it was actually only about 50%.

I certainly hope ASA pilots will learn from this, but I have my worries.

Any chance of getting and then sustaining a better payrate has been highly undermined by our Comair "Brothers" . AND ALL THE OTHERS BEFORE THEM!!

Medeco

 

[79%N1]

No matter how militant we may be, or not be, at ASA, I dont really see how we can do much better in these negotiations. Its like when I was a little kid and I wanted something, I could jump up and down or scream and pout, but I didnt always get what I wanted. I'm sure the guys at Comair didnt want their pay and work rules raped, but what was the choice? What is our choice at ASA? Stand strong for a big, bar-raising contract, that will either see us stagnate or worse, just to be ripped away in a few years anyway under more threats. I just think our CNC really has their work cut out for them. I know I want more, more, more....but I'm sure its not realistic to think we can get it now! How can we get more money when Comair just took cuts that are already below our rates? When SkyWest makes 50 pay for the 70? When Mesa and CHQ are already below our rates? I dont think its possible to get more. I think the most we can hope for is to improve the work rules and QOL issues that are already below industry standard. We may act like we're so much tougher than Comair, but really, what can they do. I have friends there, and they had tough choices to make. As far as ASA, or more specifically my job, there is a point where this job is not worth it, and that point is pretty close for me. That said, I still dont think we can ask, or expect to get much out of these negotiations.

 

["GO AROUND"]

No matter how militant we may be, or not be, at ASA, I dont really see how we can do much better in these negotiations. Its like when I was a little kid and I wanted something, I could jump up and down or scream and pout, but I didnt always get what I wanted. I'm sure the guys at Comair didnt want their pay and work rules raped, but what was the choice? What is our choice at ASA? Stand strong for a big, bar-raising contract, that will either see us stagnate or worse, just to be ripped away in a few years anyway under more threats. I just think our CNC really has their work cut out for them. I know I want more, more, more....but I'm sure its not realistic to think we can get it now! How can we get more money when Comair just took cuts that are already below our rates? When SkyWest makes 50 pay for the 70? When Mesa and CHQ are already below our rates? I dont think its possible to get more. I think the most we can hope for is to improve the work rules and QOL issues that are already below industry standard. We may act like we're so much tougher than Comair, but really, what can they do. I have friends there, and they had tough choices to make. As far as ASA, or more specifically my job, there is a point where this job is not worth it, and that point is pretty close for me. That said, I still dont think we can ask, or expect to get much out of these negotiations.

How many times does it have to be said? The CNC/MEC is not going for this big bar raising contract. But, we are not going to chop our legs off at the knees like the company wants. Industry Standard contract is what we are looking for. Work rules and QOL are paramount in this. The company wants us to take a worse contract at all levels, pay, QOL, work rules, etc....

CHQ are not below our rates on the 50 or the 70 at 5 yrs 2$ less on 50, and only $4 more max at 18yr. Mesa is the only one significantly lower on all levels.

The company wants us to have less than we have now, remember that POS opener that was 3yrs late? No COLA's for eleven years. Please!

Apples and oranges now comparing us and comair. Our Company makes money, but they went and signed a crap contract without having a huge cost settled. Now they come to us after the fact and wonder what the problem is.

The CNC, MEC and pilot group has not changed their minds on the things that are important in this contract. We are not going to bend over and take what the company is threatening just because everybody else is. Being competitive is our goal, not undercutting ourselves at gross levels.

 

[COOPERVANE]

I also have to ask:

Who said we wanted more? Another thread from a mesa puke called us GREEDY!

I'd just settle for Skywest rates and industry standard QOL items. Everybody I've talked to wants that only. MGMT keeps spouting that we want a 20% pay increase.

They want to eliminate premium!! Are you kidding? 5 day trips? half pay for ever increasing deadheads? That is B.S.

You can HAVE it mesa

 

[Skaff]

Any flying currently being done by a pilot group when they exercise a work stoppage is struck work. Nice to know what the excuse by the Skywest pilots will be that cross the line and fly struck work. You gonna be the first Skaff? Maybe you can convince all the pilots at SKW that have a clue to fly with you?

No excuse for ignorance. Not that I think it will come to that, but stranger things have happened.

I support my ASA MEC, CNC, and pilot group. Nice to know a few of you at SKW don't.

Your lucky that Skywest Inc bought you, if not, you'de be in Comairs world of hate. Total ingratitude. We should have saved our money and let guys like you rot.

 

[79%N1]

Dude, what an asinine, ignorant remark! I shouldnt even dignify it with a remark, but I'm sure you are not a very good representative of the classy pilots at Skywest. What has ASA done. We are trying to negotiate a fair contract in a tough time. We are below industry standard in almost every work rule one can think of. Are we lucky that SkyWest bought us......that remains to be seen. Just be careful, because just because Comair got raped first, doesnt mean it cant happen to you or me next.

 

[ohplease!]

It's personal between Comair and DAL and they are he11 bent on busting your balls. Wouldn't be suprised if this "cave in" changes nothing with their dismantleing of Comair. Or, enjoy being bent over by Johnny O' if they sell you to Mesa Group.

Well, you obviously didn't go to business school. Do you really think Delta mgnt. has even given Comair pilots' strike a second thought and are intentionally doing things to get back at them? You are either really nieve or really stupid.

 

[surplus1]

Any chance of getting and then sustaining a better payrate has been highly undermined by our Comair "Brothers" . AND ALL THE OTHERS BEFORE THEM!!

Medeco

As you throw stones at Comair just remember how many "others" came before us and that none of them were in bankruptcy.

 

[surplus1]

Just be careful, because just because Comair got raped first, doesnt mean it cant happen to you or me next.

We did get raped at Comair that is true. Do remember that our rape is the involuntary result of bankruptcy forced by Delta Air Lines.

Those that gave up their virtue willingly are a different story. Foremost among them is a certain SLC contingent that we can thank for a common rate from 50-99 seats.

And don't kid yourself ASA it will affect you too now that they own you. You will need a lot more than bravado to overcome that precedent.

I wish you well and hope you can do it.