ASA Pilot Thoughts....

[AMANSWORLD]

I would like to say this is only my personal thoughts and would like to get some feedback from ASA PILOTS NOT MANAGEMENT TYPES. I feel that we are coming up on 4 years without any contract and it is time for the union and the company to know that I expect the strike vote we took -passing at about 93% in favor of a strike should one become necessary- is now VERY NECESSARY. I think both the company and the union have had adequate time to resolve this. The mediator should now step aside and release us. I for one am ready to "pull the trigger". I am tired of not being able to plan my personal life because of poor quality of life such as scheduling, pay, and other aspects of this piss poor excuse for a company. This is just a simple case of greed in managements case. Well - now it is my turn, I will write up everything on these airplanes ALL the time. I hope to get some feedback from fellow ASA PILOTS, READ ASA PILOTS, to see if you guys and gals are also in favor of executing this strike. I hope our union is truely make preparations for a true solution because another minute of this sh!t is going to drive me nuts.

 

[Crash Pad]

Well lets see you have a national mediation board appointed by the president. Three people. Two Rep. One Dem. So you can plan on not getting released. The Great Lakes pilots couldn't get released in four years and they make nothing.

If you want to piss off the company you should just be late out of the gate. They get paid for completion factor and on time percentage. The biggest thing is completion factor. So whatever you have to do to cancel flights.

Note the company will begin keeping very good records of this sort of thing. Once they have compiled a big enough history they will fire you. Again Great Lakes had a rabel rouser fired. In court they produced mountains of evidence and the fireing stood.

Go get em. Burn the place down. The pain will be over in the next couple of years anyway. You think you are upset now. Wait until you are on reserve on the 50.

 

[ASACAPT]

I agree with you 100%, but we should always wright up an airplane when it is broken. But i agree it is time that we hit them in the wallet, thats the only language they will understand. If (when) we see them starting to transfer our airplanes to skywest, we should all suddenly develop the flu.

 

[ASADriver]

Maybe there is a reason we aren't getting a release from the NMB. I talked to an ALPA guy that said generally the NMB pushes ALPA by parking or threatening to park, and the NMB pushes management by a release or threat of release.

 

[ASADriver]

I agree with you 100%, but we should always wright up an airplane when it is broken. But i agree it is time that we hit them in the wallet, thats the only language they will understand. If (when) we see them starting to transfer our airplanes to skywest, we should all suddenly develop the flu.

Or maybe we could be a little more reasonable in what we are asking for and keep it in line more with the rest of the industry.

 

[sweptback]

Maybe there is a reason we aren't getting a release from the NMB. I talked to an ALPA guy that said generally the NMB pushes ALPA by parking or threatening to park, and the NMB pushes management by a release or threat of release.

That is not correct at all. If you actually heard that from an ALPA rep, post his initials.

 

[John Pennekamp]

That is not correct at all. If you actually heard that from an ALPA rep, post his initials.

Undoubtedly JB, aka "Joe Merchant".

 

[av8er2]

There is a reason we have not been released. Keeps mgt. in control and means they can do what they want with the aircraft.

If a few years, if not sooner ASA will be like Independance Air, not even a thought, gone for good.

It will be all SW in ATL and all the customers will be happy.

Some ASA pilots will be at SW but most will move on.

My thoughts and I am basing my plans on this happening which means I am working on getting out of ASA. Maybe it won't happen but based on what I read and hear I think most think ASA is over.

 

[Truckdriver]

And SKYW continues it's track record of buying "assets" not companies. ASA guys will end up just like every other employee at companies SKYW has ever dealt with. The SKYW guys will try and defend what their management did and is doing again, but in the end they buy a company, transfer assets, and hire the suckers who will join in the SKYW coolaid party. In my opinion, what SKYW has done in the past and is now doing to ASA makes MESA look like a great place. SKYW has done more to degrade the regional airline industry than any other airline ever imagined.

 

[HarryParatestes]

There is a reason we have not been released. Keeps mgt. in control and means they can do what they want with the aircraft.

If a few years, if not sooner ASA will be like Independance Air, not even a thought, gone for good.

It will be all SW in ATL and all the customers will be happy.

Some ASA pilots will be at SW but most will move on.

My thoughts and I am basing my plans on this happening which means I am working on getting out of ASA. Maybe it won't happen but based on what I read and hear I think most think ASA is over.

I disagree. Skywest in ATL will still have to deal with the local work pool. ASA is at a very rough spot in the road. ASA will survive as will Skywest. Flightinfo seems to breed "Doom and Gloom". Until you actually see it happen, don't believe what you read on the web.

 

[Turkey Shoot]

I disagree. Skywest in ATL will still have to deal with the local work pool. ASA is at a very rough spot in the road. ASA will survive as will Skywest. Flightinfo seems to breed "Doom and Gloom". Until you actually see it happen, don't believe what you read on the web.

How dare you moderate here on Flight Info?!? Have you lost your mind man?? I agree with you though.

 

[ArcticFlier]

And SKYW continues it's track record of buying "assets" not companies.

Possibly.

The SKYW guys will try and defend what their management did and is doing again,......................

Defend them? Doubt that. Maybe one or two on here, but a vast,vast majority like you suggest? Not even. Blanket statements like that tend to lessen your credibility.

.............but in the end they buy a company, transfer assets, and hire the suckers who will join in the SKYW coolaid party.

dang! I missed a party? Bummer. Don't like kool-aid, though. Is it BYOB?

In my opinion, what SKYW has done in the past and is now doing to ASA makes MESA look like a great place. SKYW has done more to degrade the regional airline industry than any other airline ever imagined.

With statments like that, your credibility is further lessened. You're entitled to your opinion, but they are like bungholes. Everyone has one. Some smell a hell of a lot worse than others, though.

No one here is happy about the current state of affairs at SKYW vis a vis the 70-90 thing, but I'm not sure you want to compare the whole package, ie. our work rules to that of MAG. We're trying to fix the 70-90 thing, but it's a bit like beating our heads against a wall until we can get some kind of CBA. Keep in mind, when it was sold to us (not that I voted for it. I didn't trust SGU then), it was for an 18 month period. The implication was that at the end of 2004, we'd get together and split the rates, but in any case, it was for an 18 month period. We were flat lied to by SGU. Don't think I'm trying to defend those that voted for this thing. I'm not. But it's where we are now, and it was one hell of a lesson for those new to this industry.

It won't get fixed in the current state. SGU sure as hell isn't going to split rates out of the goodness of their hearts, and the threat of a union doesn't seem to have the same weight as it did in the past. Brad says he wants to talk pay now (funny timing now that we are in the throes of a drive), but we haven't seen anything. It's been over a month since SAPA and Brad got together to discuss this. He said he wanted to talk to Ron and Jerry before anything was finalized. That was in late July I believe. Don't seem to be as worried as they were in the past about a union.


FWIW,


AF

 

[CFIT]

In my opinion, what SKYW has done in the past and is now doing to ASA makes MESA look like a great place. SKYW has done more to degrade the regional airline industry than any other airline ever imagined.

Please apply to Mesa, it appears you would be happier there.

And, specifically, what has SkyWest done in the past?

 

[ASADFW7]

Wasn't there a movie that had the special line. GET OUT!

 

[John Pennekamp]

I would like to say this is only my personal thoughts and would like to get some feedback from ASA PILOTS NOT MANAGEMENT TYPES. I feel that we are coming up on 4 years without any contract and it is time for the union and the company to know that I expect the strike vote we took -passing at about 93% in favor of a strike should one become necessary- is now VERY NECESSARY. I think both the company and the union have had adequate time to resolve this. The mediator should now step aside and release us. I for one am ready to "pull the trigger". I am tired of not being able to plan my personal life because of poor quality of life such as scheduling, pay, and other aspects of this piss poor excuse for a company. This is just a simple case of greed in managements case. Well - now it is my turn, I will write up everything on these airplanes ALL the time. I hope to get some feedback from fellow ASA PILOTS, READ ASA PILOTS, to see if you guys and gals are also in favor of executing this strike. I hope our union is truely make preparations for a true solution because another minute of this sh!t is going to drive me nuts.

Well, apparently those who stepped forward to defend Skywest management have a reading and comprehension problem since you asked for ASA pilot opinions only.

Yes, I will strike (obviously), but I don't believe we'll get released. I do believe that the MEC will drop a lot of the "over the top" demands they have held onto and get us into the zone where we can settle this thing without a strike.

 

[BIGGOAT]

My fear is that we will be offered great scope for current mgt. offer...or worse. Mgt. will continue to shrink ASA by transfering SLC 70's to SKW and then enough pilots will bite on the companies offer. I am sure I have seen this happen before...
Aside from the hourly rates, I would like to see a better 410k match, say dollar for dollar to 6, 7 or 8 percent or more. It could be incrementally based on longevity. I am young enough that more $$ in the 401k now will greatly impact my retirement!

 

[ArcticFlier]

Well, apparently those who stepped forward to defend Skywest management have a reading and comprehension problem since you asked for ASA pilot opinions only.

Who's defending SKYW management? Me? Not hardly. Reread my post. Oh never mind....this is for ASA pilots only.

Defend them? Doubt that. Maybe one or two on here, but a vast,vast majority like you suggest? Not even.

As to responding to a post for ASA pilots only..............just trying to set the record straight. Not too many people are going to defend SGU.

You guys have fun ..................

Out,

AF

 

[scarlet]

LIKE I have said SKYWEST Pilots are no different than GOJET !!!! They have to fly the aircraft and the routes for 50 seat rates!!

MESA Skywest CHQ--there is no difference!!!

I too think ASA will shrink and if survive will be a small regional. Just like America's business leaders today, they steal all of the companies money and run! The American people will get tired of this one day, trust me! We need the Sopranos of the world to come back and put people back in place! Trust me we would have a great contract if someone showed up to JA,BLs house late at night=right......

 

[ArcticFlier]

LIKE I have said SKYWEST Pilots are no different than GOJET !!!! They have to fly the aircraft and the routes for 50 seat rates!!

MESA Skywest CHQ--there is no difference!!!

You're entitled to your opinion, but they are like bungholes. Everyone has one. Some smell a hell of a lot worse than others, though.

But then again, I'm not supposed to post on this thread.


AF :smash:

 

[MELIT]

LIKE I have said SKYWEST Pilots are no different than GOJET !!!! They have to fly the aircraft and the routes for 50 seat rates!!

MESA Skywest CHQ--there is no difference!!!

I too think ASA will shrink and if survive will be a small regional. Just like America's business leaders today, they steal all of the companies money and run! The American people will get tired of this one day, trust me! We need the Sopranos of the world to come back and put people back in place! Trust me we would have a great contract if someone showed up to JA,BLs house late at night=right......

But Skywest pilots still make more than you :laugh: :laugh:

 

[Arrow11]

LIKE I have said SKYWEST Pilots are no different than GOJET !!!! They have to fly the aircraft and the routes for 50 seat rates!!

MESA Skywest CHQ--there is no difference!!!

I too think ASA will shrink and if survive will be a small regional. Just like America's business leaders today, they steal all of the companies money and run! The American people will get tired of this one day, trust me! We need the Sopranos of the world to come back and put people back in place! Trust me we would have a great contract if someone showed up to JA,BLs house late at night=right......[/QUOTE

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